On 06 Sep 2007 17:35:26 +0200 (CEST), Robo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Stop it now please Al. You take oo personal aproach. Nobody forced you in > responding.
heh, what you have to understand is that wicket is oss - so it IS personal. it is something we work on in our spare time so it is kind of a hobby (a demanding hobby). we do care about it a great deal. constructive criticism is always welcome, but you have to have a level of respect on the lists. You make Wicket And I`m the user. If you do not like it do not do it. But > there is some responsibilities about product you develop towards product > users so do not confuse roles please. wrong again. its the other way around. if you do not like it do not use it. we do not owe you anything. we put wicket out there for people to use, no strings attached. And besides that I`m also kind of customer As I paid for the book ;-) you paid for the book, but we get nothing from that. so how do you connect the dots? And besides that I several times said how Wicket is great is that not enaugh > for you? :-)) thank you. And btw I thanked to Gvyn at the end of my troubles as his responcese solved > them. I do not thank before my troubles gets solved ;-) I`m not teacher in > the dance school. its not the missing thank you, it is more your superior attitute and your lecturing tone. so in fact you do come across as a teacher. What I`m doing now is preparing presentation to my chiefs and currrently I`m > coping with five frameworks amking demo apps and have two weeks for it. That > is Why I`m not writing wiki and that is why I`m sometimes upset about lack > of docs, working 18-20 hours per day ... sounds like your chiefs are pretty dumb if they expect you to learn five frameworks in two weeks, find a better job. as for the issue at hand, i believe the velocity initializer should be rewritten to check if whatever it needs is actually on the classpath, and noop quietly if its not. please file a jira issue. -igor Java jars are nto at all complex beast. They become tricky in situation > where you just put some of them inclasspath and they do what you normally do > not expect. Lib should be lib and when not called by developer they should > do nothing. Deliberatly breaking this rule makes the jars, beast ... :-) > > So Finishing this personal thread and thank you for much of your time ;-)) > > Robo > > > ----- Originálna Správa ----- > Od: Al Maw > Komu: > Poslaná: 06.09.2007 17:44 > Predmet: Re: Wicket libraries > > > Robo wrote: > > > Ok, seems removing \\\"wicket-velocity-1.3.0-beta3.jar\\\" from build > > > path solved problem with velocity problem. But please explain me why > > > removing package from build path solves the problem if nowhere in my > > > Hello World code i call for any of the velocity packages. Is there > > > some duplicities in packages or what? > > > > I expect because Wicket looks on the classpath for Wicket modules to > > initialise, finds some in that JAR, tries to and then can\'t find one of > > its dependencies. > > > > Modern Java apps tend to be complex beasts, with lots of dependencies. > > If you insist on managing these manually, you can expect to have a fair > > bit of work to do. That\'s why things like Ivy and Maven 2 were > invented. > > > > > As to Maven2. It seems that like you in some way force developers to > Maven2. :-) > > > > No, not at all. But if you\'ve deliberately chosen to manage your > > dependencies manually when there are perfectly good ways of doing it > > automatically, then we\'re not going to hold your hand for you. We > don\'t > > get paid to do this, you know. > > > > If you don\'t like Maven 2 no one is forcing you to use it. Use Ivy > > instead. Or use the standalone Maven 2 Ant tasks for doing dependencies. > > > > Alternatively, install Maven 2, use it to build a quickstart WAR file > > with all the things you need, and then grab the JARs from there. > > > > Any of these options would take you a tenth of the time you\'ve spent > > bitching on this mailing list. > > > > > Yes Maven solves you some problems with dependecies and also si > > > suitable for small project but at big projects it definitely fails. > > > :-/ > > > > So Geronimo is a small project? And Jetty? And Apache Directory Server? > > And Wicket for that matter? And the several-hundreds-of-thousands-of- > > lines, 200+ dependencies projects we have here that use it? Jeez - I may > > have a high horse, but yours is scraping the stratosphere. Sure, it has > > some issues, but so does anything complex. > > > > The simple point is that for most people, Ivy or Maven 2 do what they > > want it to do. If you don\'t like any of these automated tools and > insist > > on doing it all manually, you can\'t expect us to have all that much > time > > for you, as we don\'t get paid to do this, you know. It\'s like you\'re > > complaining that there\'s no documentation on how to hammer in a nail > > using a screwdriver. > > > > > So please. I know you have lot of work with wicket, and as users can > > see you have a good aproach. But please do spend some time to at least > > write one chapter about libraries, neede dependencies and so on. If you > > have licensing problems just make one clear site with core libs link, > > dep libs link and explanation what feature they are enabling and so on. > > And make some quick start page in which you explainn dependecies on > > simple sample app :-)Do not take alibistic aproach of hiding everithing > > besides Maven. :-) > > > > Why don\'t you write a wiki page for us? > > > > Despite the fact I\'m not being paid to be your tech support, I\'ve > taken > > some time out to give you a text file exhaustively detailing the > > required dependencies for each of our modules, including the transitive > > ones. I have done the work for you (not that you\'ve even murmured a > > thank you), so why are you still bitching about it? > > > > > > Al > > -- > > Alastair Maw > > Wicket-biased blog at http://herebebeasties.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __________ > Svetova kniznica SME - literarne klenoty 20. storocia - > http://knihy.sme.sk/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
