you are right. That's the reason of using OSIV, although these two concepts
are somewhat related to each other. I mean, when you are not using OSIV, you
have to collect all the data you want to display on the presentation tier
within a facade, for example. One possiblity is then to
(Hibernate-)initialize all needed entities and expose the domain model to
the presentation tier, the other one is using DTOs that carry the data.


igor.vaynberg wrote:
> 
> no, the point of osiv is that you can use the beans you loaded even
> after the transactions has ended without getting lazyload exceptions.
> it has nothing to do with writing changes or not having to use dtos.
> 

Anyway, 

igor.vaynberg wrote:
> 
>> map a form to a bean and apply the changes to the entity yourself
> 
is quite the same as writing DTOs, isn't it?


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