+1

I fully agree. Conversation scope is a kludge for a broken model, and in
the end nothing more than a specialized form of global variables. 

Just put your state into the appropriate page or component instances
and/or models, and you get *any* scope you need, for free.

Carl-Eric


On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:55:26 -0700 (PDT)
svenmeier <s...@meiers.net> wrote:

> 
> What is this 'conversation' all about?
> 
> It doesn't seem to be a known concept in any GUI guideline I know
> (e.g. Apple's Human Interface Guidelines). Neither does wikipedia
> list it under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUI_widget.
> 
> This is what wikipedia is saying about Seam's conversation: 'The
> default Seam context is conversation which can span multiple pages
> and usually spans the whole business flow, from start to finish.'
> This seems to describe a
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_(software) .
> 
> IMHO 'conversation' is a buzzword invented for those who still think
> a web UI consists of a sequence of HTML pages only.
> Back in 2000 the same guys invented 'mvc-2' and told us that a UI can
> be built on actions only.
> 
> Just my rant (worth 2 cents or less).
> 
> Back to Wicket and wizards:
> For a wizard I'd suggest to use a single Wicket page, replacing
> components as you step through it.
> Note that Wicket extensions provide a wizard component, but you can
> easily roll your own implementation.
> 
> Sven
> 
> > Hican this functionality added to the standard wicket?
> > actually much of seam popularity came from supporting conversation
> > scope...,
> > so i think that adding explicit wicket support will have momentum
> > i think that having just a store for conversation objects will be a
> > good begin
> > then we may add apis like beginConversation, endConversation
> > ,joinConversation,mergeConversation
> > ,suspendConversation,resumeConversation
> > and other concepts like workspace
> > what do u think?
> > Joe
> 

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