Wow, that's a great way for a member of the development team to treat
a member of their user community.  I'm not the only one with these
concerns.  Why don't you bad-mouth Reinhard too?

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Martijn
Dashorst<martijn.dasho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jeez, get a life...
>
> Martijn
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:29 PM, James
> Carman<jcar...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>> We shouldn't have to do this kind of research to know what's going on.
>>  That's the whole point.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Martijn
>> Dashorst<martijn.dasho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> WTF?
>>>
>>> Read the commit messages and then tell me that the 1.4.0 release is
>>> not an exact copy of sandbox/ivaynberg/wicket-1.4.0 ?
>>>
>>> Martijn
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:33 PM, James
>>> Carman<jcar...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>>>> Well, think about it this way.  In the original message in this
>>>> thread, Thomas Singer went looking for the 1.4.0 release stuff at the
>>>> URL:
>>>>
>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/wicket/tags/wicket-1.4.0
>>>>
>>>> and it wasn't there.  Why did he go there?  Hmmmmmm.  Maybe because
>>>> that's how everyone else does it?  Why would Wicket choose to do it
>>>> differently than everyone else?  It just doesn't make any sense to me.
>>>>
>>>> Also, in the vote thread, Igor proposed to release 1.4.0 from the
>>>> following SVN URL:
>>>>
>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/wicket/sandbox/ivaynberg/wicket-1.4.0
>>>>
>>>> However, you're saying that it was actually released from:
>>>>
>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/wicket/releases/wicket-1.4.0
>>>>
>>>> So, the released software wasn't built from the URL the community
>>>> voted on.  You can't just move things around and release it.  You need
>>>> to release from the SVN URL in the vote thread, because that's what's
>>>> being voted upon.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Martijn
>>>> Dashorst<martijn.dasho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> tags/foo is as mutable as releases/foo
>>>>>
>>>>> If a release needs to be cut, we can just do:
>>>>>
>>>>> svn co https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/wicket/releases/wicket-1.4.0
>>>>> ./release.sh
>>>>>
>>>>> there are no changes to the release after it has been created. A
>>>>> social convention, just as tagging it.
>>>>>
>>>>> And this is the last thing I'll say about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Martijn
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:10 AM, James
>>>>> Carman<jcar...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Martijn
>>>>>> Dashorst<martijn.dasho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> We create a branch of off trunk for future maintenance of wicket 1.4,
>>>>>>> not from a release branch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wicket/branches/wicket-1.3.x  -> created from wicket/trunk when we
>>>>>>> moved 1.3 to maintenance mode
>>>>>>> wicket/branches/wicket-1.4.x -> will be created from wicket/trunk when
>>>>>>> we move 1.4 to mainenance mode
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wicket/releases/wicket-1.4.1 -> will be created from wicket/trunk if
>>>>>>> we haven't created branches/wicket-1.4.x yet, or else from
>>>>>>> branches/wicket-1.4.x
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, but this has been the way we have done things since the dawn of
>>>>>>> the project. Just because you think it is not correct, doesn't
>>>>>>> invalidate how *we* do things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Correct.  Projects do have some leeway, but it is important to be able
>>>>>> to re-create the release as it was.  With your strategy, you have no
>>>>>> idea (without some SVN version magic) how to re-create it if you're
>>>>>> checking code into the SVN URL that is used to create the release.
>>>>>> The SCM URL in your released pom points to:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> scm:svn:http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/wicket/releases/wicket-1.4.0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is MUTABLE with your strategy!  You don't see a problem with
>>>>>> that?!?!?!  The SCM URL for releases should point to a tag (which
>>>>>> nobody is supposed to modify), not a branch.
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