JSF == Standard? My question is: What should become a standard?
When I think about standards, then things that come to mind are: - SQL - ODBC - Java - JDBC - EJB - JPA but not JSF. And not Spring. And not ... - you name it. For some reason, possibly due to the fast evolving nature of the web, web frameworks are higher up in the food chain, and I don't think that we are ready yet to standardize on that level. People may say JSF is a standard, so what? The fact that there are so many others seems to prove my point. Bernard On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:59:16 +0200, you wrote: >In business, decision makers choose standards and JSF is standard so JSF is >good and JSF is the King. But couldn't be "The King Is Naked" ?? > >OR > >Am i wrong ? JSF is really cool and i don't know the hidden features ?? > >I don't want to start framework wars, this is useless but I think Wicket >should be a JSR. > >I don't know how a framework like Wicket become a JSR - a standard - but it >should be... > > >2009/12/22 Peter Thomas <ptrtho...@gmail.com> > >> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro < >> reier...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > @Tomas, @Martin, >> > >> > I already knew those links... Thanks anyway. Actually I went a bit >> further >> > an implemented the same "application" on different technologies so that >> > developers could evaluate for themselves the wonders of "downsides" of >> each >> > technology... plus detailed explanations of how the code works.... >> > Unfortunately I cannot share that code as is property of the company I >> work >> > for.... >> >> >> That's a pretty solid approach, pity you can't share the code though. I >> tried to do something similar as open-source: >> http://code.google.com/p/perfbench/ >> >> Maybe you can contribute some analysis or even an implementation or two ;) >> I would be interested in your feedback, for e.g. which framework to attempt >> next - do let me know offline. >> >> >> >> > But the problem is those who will take the final decision will take >> > into account more "political" reasons that things like "development >> speed", >> > "code quality", "code re-usability" and any other adds you throw at >> them... >> > >> > >> > @Martin, >> > >> > Congratulations! Hope I can say the same in a few months. >> > >> > Best, >> > >> > Ernesto >> > >> > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Peter Thomas <ptrtho...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro < >> > > reier...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hi Eelco, >> > > > >> > > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Eelco Hillenius < >> > > > eelco.hillen...@gmail.com >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > > I love Wicket and the natural approach it offers to do >> > > > web-development... >> > > > > > and I have been pushing hard to use it whenever possible... but >> on >> > > the >> > > > > > "real world" it is not enough to be an excellent product to gain >> > > > > > wide acceptance... Does last sentence ring a bell? >> > > > > >> > > > > I think we've gained pretty wide acceptance actually. Wicket In >> > Action >> > > > > has been a best seller for Manning in the months right after it >> came >> > > > > out, and Wicket is by many considered as one of the leading web >> > > > > frameworks for Java. We've also had one of the most active email >> > lists >> > > > > for years now. I'm sure Wicket lags behind JSF and Struts >> > considerably >> > > > > when it comes to number of users, but hey, why would we care. You >> > only >> > > > > need a bunch of serious users to maintain a framework, and Wicket >> has >> > > > > many thousands of them :-) >> > > > > >> > > > > You don't have to convince me about Wicket excellence! I love >> Wicket, >> > > > I've >> > > > been using it for over two years now, and right now I'm doing all my >> > > > efforts >> > > > to get it adopted at the company I'm working for... But being >> realistic >> > > > they >> > > > will probably jump to Struts 2, or Seam-JSF... >> > > > >> > > > After re-reading my message I see maybe it was bit "pessimistic".. >> > maybe >> > > > out of my present frustration. >> > > > >> > > >> > > may be useful when debating Wicket vs JSF where you work etc: >> > > http://tinyurl.com/jsf-sucks >> > > >> > > - Peter >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > Cheers, >> > > > >> > > > Ernesto >> > > > >> > > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
