Agreed 2009/12/25 <b...@actrix.gen.nz>
> JSF == Standard? > > My question is: What should become a standard? > > When I think about standards, then things that come to mind are: > > - SQL > - ODBC > - Java > - JDBC > - EJB > - JPA > > but not JSF. And not Spring. And not ... - you name it. > > For some reason, possibly due to the fast evolving nature of the web, > web frameworks are higher up in the food chain, and I don't think that > we are ready yet to standardize on that level. People may say JSF is a > standard, so what? The fact that there are so many others seems to > prove my point. > > Bernard > > > > On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:59:16 +0200, you wrote: > > >In business, decision makers choose standards and JSF is standard so JSF > is > >good and JSF is the King. But couldn't be "The King Is Naked" ?? > > > >OR > > > >Am i wrong ? JSF is really cool and i don't know the hidden features ?? > > > >I don't want to start framework wars, this is useless but I think Wicket > >should be a JSR. > > > >I don't know how a framework like Wicket become a JSR - a standard - but > it > >should be... > > > > > >2009/12/22 Peter Thomas <ptrtho...@gmail.com> > > > >> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro < > >> reier...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > @Tomas, @Martin, > >> > > >> > I already knew those links... Thanks anyway. Actually I went a bit > >> further > >> > an implemented the same "application" on different technologies so > that > >> > developers could evaluate for themselves the wonders of "downsides" of > >> each > >> > technology... plus detailed explanations of how the code works.... > >> > Unfortunately I cannot share that code as is property of the company I > >> work > >> > for.... > >> > >> > >> That's a pretty solid approach, pity you can't share the code though. I > >> tried to do something similar as open-source: > >> http://code.google.com/p/perfbench/ > >> > >> Maybe you can contribute some analysis or even an implementation or two > ;) > >> I would be interested in your feedback, for e.g. which framework to > attempt > >> next - do let me know offline. > >> > >> > >> > >> > But the problem is those who will take the final decision will take > >> > into account more "political" reasons that things like "development > >> speed", > >> > "code quality", "code re-usability" and any other adds you throw at > >> them... > >> > > >> > > >> > @Martin, > >> > > >> > Congratulations! Hope I can say the same in a few months. > >> > > >> > Best, > >> > > >> > Ernesto > >> > > >> > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Peter Thomas <ptrtho...@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro < > >> > > reier...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Hi Eelco, > >> > > > > >> > > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Eelco Hillenius < > >> > > > eelco.hillen...@gmail.com > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I love Wicket and the natural approach it offers to do > >> > > > web-development... > >> > > > > > and I have been pushing hard to use it whenever possible... > but > >> on > >> > > the > >> > > > > > "real world" it is not enough to be an excellent product to > gain > >> > > > > > wide acceptance... Does last sentence ring a bell? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I think we've gained pretty wide acceptance actually. Wicket In > >> > Action > >> > > > > has been a best seller for Manning in the months right after it > >> came > >> > > > > out, and Wicket is by many considered as one of the leading web > >> > > > > frameworks for Java. We've also had one of the most active email > >> > lists > >> > > > > for years now. I'm sure Wicket lags behind JSF and Struts > >> > considerably > >> > > > > when it comes to number of users, but hey, why would we care. > You > >> > only > >> > > > > need a bunch of serious users to maintain a framework, and > Wicket > >> has > >> > > > > many thousands of them :-) > >> > > > > > >> > > > > You don't have to convince me about Wicket excellence! I love > >> Wicket, > >> > > > I've > >> > > > been using it for over two years now, and right now I'm doing all > my > >> > > > efforts > >> > > > to get it adopted at the company I'm working for... But being > >> realistic > >> > > > they > >> > > > will probably jump to Struts 2, or Seam-JSF... > >> > > > > >> > > > After re-reading my message I see maybe it was bit > "pessimistic".. > >> > maybe > >> > > > out of my present frustration. > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > may be useful when debating Wicket vs JSF where you work etc: > >> > > http://tinyurl.com/jsf-sucks > >> > > > >> > > - Peter > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Cheers, > >> > > > > >> > > > Ernesto > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > > -- Altuğ.
