may you take into account the new "wicket-like" framework, Apache Click, too, just passing the incubator now... as another alternative to compare with, but also to show the tendency - and then the present and future - of web presentation frameworks... ;)
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Per Lundholm <per.lundh...@gmail.com>wrote: > Since the PHB like to stay on the safe side of the fence, make them feel > safe with Wicket. > > Tell successtories about Wicket. Tell failstories about other systems. :-) > > /Per > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro < > reier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Lester, > > > > Right now I'm in a similar situation: I'm working for a company that > wants > > to (possibly) change from struts 1.X to something else and it is my job > > "present" the choices to the developers and managers, so that they can > > decide which will be the next framework the company will adopt for WEB > > development. I'm also trying to get Wicket adopted over the other > > candidates > > but that won't be easy... > > > > I fully agree with Jonathan: the only thing PHBs care about is theirs own > > personal interests... So, they pay special attention to keep themselves > "on > > the safe side of the fence". > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ernesto > > > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Lester Chua <cicowic...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Jonathan, > > > > > > Bingo, I think you may have hit it on the spot. > > > > > > Igor, > > > > > > I have not managed to get a reply on how they determined Struts2 to be > > > better supported compared to Wicket. But I suspect the list of a > approved > > > technologies is not very updated. I.e. the evaluation was probably done > 2 > > > years ago. > > > > > > Thanks for all the responses. The anecdotes and points made were very > > > helpful and have helped out get out of my depression over the weekend. > > And I > > > have written a long and hopefully thoughtful reply to the technical > > > committee and will keep you guys posted. > > > > > > Lester > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonathan Locke wrote: > > > > > >> honestly, your response is too thoughtful. these pointy haired bosses > > are > > >> self-serving. they don't care about training costs or developer pain > and > > >> they don't really care if their org runs efficiently. what they care > > >> about > > >> is that if there is a failure, their choice didn't cause it. which is > > why > > >> the old saying goes "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM." same > seems > > to > > >> go for struts. an idiotic technology choice, but you won't get fired > > for > > >> making the same idiotic choice everyone else is making. > > >> > > >> > > >> Loritsch, Berin C. wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>> "But why choose an inferior technology just because of its adoption > > >>> numbers?" > > >>> > > >>> The pointy haired bosses that do this believe in their heart of > hearts > > >>> that if you choose the same technology everyone else is using that > they > > >>> can turn thinking developers for mindless drones. It has more to do > > >>> with avoiding training costs and rational thought, and more to do > with > > >>> trying to turn software development into an assembly line process. > > >>> Reality never fits this mold, but it doesn't stop the pointy haired > > boss > > >>> from trying. In this respect they are eternal optimists. > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: leo.erlands...@tyringe.com [mailto:leo.erlands...@tyringe.com] > > >>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:09 AM > > >>> To: users@wicket.apache.org > > >>> Subject: Re: Help with Wicket Adoption Numbers > > >>> > > >>> Hi, > > >>> > > >>> We also had the same consideration when we chose Wicket. But why > choose > > >>> an inferior technology just because of it's Adoption Numbers? Also, > > >>> Wicket > > >>> is becoming more and more popular as people see the light :) > > >>> > > >>> Check out Jobs Trends (Relative Growth) here (JSF vs Struts vs > Wicket): > > >>> > > http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Struts%2C+JSF%2C+Wicket&l=&relative=1 > > >>> > > >>> We have a couple of hundred customers and so far the feedback is > great > > >>> both from our Developers and our Software Architects. Customers like > > >>> that the GUIs are faster due to the simplicity of Ajax Adoption in > > >>> Wicket. > > >>> > > >>> I also know that several large privately held companies in Sweden are > > >>> using Wicket, as well as large Government Agencies (e.g. the Swedish > > >>> Immigration Office). > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Sincerely yours > > >>> Leo Erlandsson > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > > > > > > > > >
