A small variation for Version 3 http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3AProposal
Changes: - improved the display of inheritance of rights within a role description; - emphasize the display of "Inherited"|"Allow"|"Deny" by using color and icon representation. For Rights version 4 I'll remove the concept of Role. Thanks, Caty On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 15:30, Ecaterina Valica <vali...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 21:04, Denis Gervalle <d...@softec.lu> wrote: > >> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 16:33, Ecaterina Valica <vali...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Hi Denis, >> > >> > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 16:52, Denis Gervalle <d...@softec.lu> wrote: >> > >> > > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:39, Ecaterina Valica <vali...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 18:29, Denis Gervalle <d...@softec.lu> >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 17:08, Guillaume Lerouge < >> > guilla...@xwiki.com >> > > > > >wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hi, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:03, Ecaterina Valica < >> vali...@gmail.com >> > > >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi, >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I've reviewed some of your feedback and added them to Rights >> > > > Management >> > > > > > UI >> > > > > > > Proposal *VERSION 3*: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > *Partial Prototype* >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > - Wiki Level: >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Wiki >> > > > > > > - Space Level: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Space >> > > > > > > - Page Level: >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Page >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > *Desired Interaction* >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > - >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Proposal >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks, >> > > > > > > Caty >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I like the separation between rights definition and rights >> > > affectation. >> > > > > > Only >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Nice indeed, but I do not understand how it could fits with >> current >> > > > > implementation. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > downside -> inherited rights are displayed less clearly than >> what >> > > they >> > > > > were >> > > > > > in version 2. >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > and I do not see any inherited information anymore. >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > For example, in Space Level >> > > > http://localhost:8084/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Space >> > > > the text in yellow represents the inherited users and inherited >> roles >> > > from >> > > > upper level. >> > > > >> > > > The text in black (evalica with Reviewer and the Reviewer >> definition) >> > is >> > > > specified only for this level. >> > > > >> > > > After the save the added "Reviewer" right is gonna look like this: >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://localhost:8084/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights3Proposal/addU6.png >> > > >> > > >> > > Thanks for these precision, I have better understand your idea. >> > (Personally >> > > I have some difficulties with colors (partially color blind), so >> > > information >> > > based on colors is not always easy for me.) >> > > >> > >> > So you're a great test candidate :). I also received a mail from Roman >> (he >> > wanted icons to represent rights), so what I can do for you is to try a >> > version with color + little icon to represent >> "Inherited"|"Allow"|"Deny". I >> > will think about it. >> > >> >> I think that could be nice to have more visual than color information >> for inheritance. The way it was in proposal 2 was fine, since this was >> more >> intensity than color. >> And I will be pleased to be your candidate. Be careful that using icons >> for >> representing specific rights could add complexity when (later) components >> add new rights dynamically. >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > So, proposal 3 seems less interesting than proposal 2. I do not >> see >> > > what >> > > > it >> > > > > solves based on previous comments either. >> > > > > Caty, could you explain further your goals with this proposal ? >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > I tried in proposal 3 to make it more easy to use. People told me >> that >> > > they >> > > > didn't understood the "Containing Spaces/Pages" so I've removed it. >> > > > This proposal gives the users the possibility to create Roles that >> can >> > > have >> > > > semantically value to them and thus making the rights more easy to >> use. >> > > > >> > > > This proposal accommodates the case: "Not sure it's scalable. In the >> > > future >> > > > applications/components will be able to register new rights". >> > > > Having the rights displayed vertically and only on Add, makes the UI >> > more >> > > > scalable, and in the code we could add as many rights as we would >> want. >> > > > Also >> > > > the spaces is now more economical having just "Allow"/"Deny" >> columns. >> > > > >> > > >> > > I completely agree that proposal 3 is clearer. The problem is that >> > > your samples and the structure of this proposal are really far from >> > current >> > > implementation. >> > > Proposal 2 were fitting better but the samples where also not >> realistic >> > and >> > > remarks from Thomas about global wiki users should also be integrated. >> > > >> > >> > About Thomas feedback, don't you like >> > >> > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Proposal#HNavigation >> > ? >> > >> > >> > > >> > > So, I am puzzle by your goals here. Aren't we going too fast ? >> > > Since there is very poor documentation about the way XWiki rights >> works >> > (I >> > > would be happy to improve that, but it will require some time), I have >> > the >> > > impression that there is a important misunderstanding of how >> inheritance >> > is >> > > effectively applied. So the design of a proper UI is not easy. I have >> > also >> > > read the draft of Sergiu that aims to improve the documentation, but >> > either >> > > I have not understand it or it does not describe current behavior. >> > > >> > > So the question is for me, are we designing this UI to think about >> future >> > > possibilities or to replace the current UI ? >> > > >> > >> > >> > My purpose is "to make rights easy to use at last". IMO this means do >> > whatever it takes to make them "easy to use" :) I try to base my >> proposal >> > on >> > existing code, but I never disregard new functionalities that I can add >> if >> > this means the UI and experience is gonna be improved. >> > >> > The only thing Rights version 3 is adding is the "Role" part, which is >> some >> > kind of groups for rights. If the solution given is gonna be convincing >> > enough to be use in the rights part (not yet .... but maybe some version >> of >> > it) I'm sure there will be someone that is gonna want to implement it. >> > Until >> > then I will continue to prototype and find out how we can add all that >> > functionality in one place. >> > >> >> Well, this precisely the grouping of right that is a big change. >> Currently, >> right are inherit individually, not as a group. >> Moreover, the inheritance is a little bit particular, since allowing a >> given >> right at lower level, will deny that same right for anybody else even if >> this right is allowed at a higher level. >> Said another way, once an allowance for a given right has been found and >> you >> are not part of it, you are denied. >> Of course, there is an exception to this rules regarding global admin >> rights, these ones are evaluated before and gets priority. >> >> I would agree if you find this to be not the correct way of evaluating >> right, but this is the way it works since the beginning. There is also an >> option to evaluate rights based on a hierarchy of spaces, but this one is >> usually disabled. It will probably be revived when such hierarchy of space >> are bring back using the new reference model. >> >> So, I am convinced that current right management is poor, but changing it >> will require important changes, and time. >> >> Hope you get a better idea of my concerns. For detailled information on >> how >> rights are processed, you may want to have a look at >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiRightServiceReversed. >> This >> is really bare documentation of the code, but it tells the truths. >> > > Denis, thanks for the extra info > Caty > > >> >> Denis >> >> >> > >> > And yes... I need to focus more on the inheritance again. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Caty >> > >> > >> > > Denis >> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks, >> > > > Caty >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Denis >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Also, a drop-down might be better than an autosuggest when >> > selecting >> > > > > which >> > > > > > right should be added to a role. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Guillaume >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > > devs mailing list >> > > > > > > d...@xwiki.org >> > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > -- >> > > > > > Guillaume Lerouge >> > > > > > Product Manager - XWiki SAS >> > > > > > Skype: wikibc >> > > > > > Twitter: glerouge >> > > > > > http://guillaumelerouge.com/ >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > devs mailing list >> > > > > > d...@xwiki.org >> > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > Denis Gervalle >> > > > > SOFTEC sa - CEO >> > > > > eGuilde sarl - CTO >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > users mailing list >> > > > > users@xwiki.org >> > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > users mailing list >> > > > users@xwiki.org >> > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Denis Gervalle >> > > SOFTEC sa - CEO >> > > eGuilde sarl - CTO >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > devs mailing list >> > > d...@xwiki.org >> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > devs mailing list >> > d...@xwiki.org >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Denis Gervalle >> SOFTEC sa - CEO >> eGuilde sarl - CTO >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> d...@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > _______________________________________________ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
