That interpreting binding UI was also used to restart interpreters that our users were using form time to time. If we remove interpreter binding, there should still be a way to restart them quickly without going deep into menus.
And also there should be a way to show interpreter status, like for example proposed in https://github.com/apache/zeppelin/pull/2974 -- Ruslan Dautkhanov On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 9:56 AM Ruslan Dautkhanov <dautkha...@gmail.com> wrote: > +1 to remove it > > Setting default interpreter is not very useful anyway (for example, we > can't make %pyspark default without manually editing xml files in Zeppelin > distro). https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ZEPPELIN-3282 > > -- > Ruslan Dautkhanov > > > On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 7:27 AM Paul Brenner <pbren...@placeiq.com> wrote: > >> I agree with Partridge. We have different interpreters defined with >> different queues and settings. 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It could remove >>> interpreter-binding information, keep default interpreter when extracting >>> note. Moreover it also helps to reduce our server code as well. >>> >>> What do you guys think of? >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 6:16 PM, Sanjay Dasgupta < >>> sanjay.dasgu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> If there is no per-interpreter overhead of binding all the interpreters >>>> from the beginning, we should definitely do it. This will simplify the GUI >>>> somewhat. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> - Sanjay >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:49 PM, Partridge, Lucas (GE Aviation) < >>>> lucas.partri...@ge.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> “So usually we would recommend user to specify the full qualified >>>>> interpreter name.” >>>>> >>>>> - I usually recommend the exact opposite to our users. We frequently >>>>> change interpreter groups to allow for different Spark cluster settings >>>>> (number of executors, memory, etc). Users with more demanding requirements >>>>> are asked to use custom interpreter groups with more allocated resources. >>>>> If users included the interpreter group name at the start of every >>>>> paragraph they would then have to manually edit the start of every >>>>> paragraph before they could run their note using a different interpreter >>>>> group. Very tedious! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But I agree the short names without the interpreter group are often >>>>> ambiguous and can cause confusion. Maybe somewhere in the execution >>>>> output >>>>> of each paragraph there should be some discrete text giving the fully >>>>> qualified name of the interpreter that was actually used to produce that >>>>> output. Or a clearly defined ‘default interpreter group’ text in the >>>>> toolbar at the top of each notebook. Make it a dropdown so it would be >>>>> easy >>>>> to change the default. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Jeff Zhang <zjf...@gmail.com> >>>>> *Sent:* 06 July 2018 08:53 >>>>> *To:* users@zeppelin.apache.org >>>>> *Cc:* dev <d...@zeppelin.apache.org> >>>>> *Subject:* EXT: Re: [DISCUSS] Is interpreter binding necessary ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We already allow setting default interpreter when creating note. >>>>> Another way to set default interpreter is to reorder the interpreter >>>>> setting binding in note page. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But personally I don't recommend user to use short interpreter name >>>>> because of default interpreter. 2 Reaons: >>>>> >>>>> 1. It introduce in-accurate info. e.g. In our product, we have 2 spark >>>>> interpreters (`spark`: for spark 1.x & `spark2` for spark 2.x). Then user >>>>> often specify `%spark` for spark interpreter. But it could mean both >>>>> `%spark.spark` and `%spark2.spark`, So usually it is very hard to tell >>>>> what's wrong when user expect to work spark2 but actually he still use >>>>> spark 1.x. So usually we would recommend user to specify the full >>>>> qualified >>>>> interpreter name. Just type several more characters which just cost 2 >>>>> seconds but make it more clear and readable. >>>>> >>>>> 2. Another issue is that interpreter binding is stored in >>>>> interpreter.json, that means if they export this note to another zeppelin >>>>> instance, the default interpreter won't work. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So I don't think setting default interpreter via interpreter binding >>>>> is valuable for users. If user really want to do that, I would suggest to >>>>> store it in note.json instead of interpreter.json >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jongyoul Lee <jongy...@gmail.com>于2018年7月6日周五 下午3:36写道： >>>>> >>>>> There are two purposes of interpreter binding. One is what you >>>>> mentioned and another one is to manage a default interpreter. If we >>>>> provide >>>>> a new way to set default interpreter, I think we can remove them :-) We >>>>> could set permissions in other ways. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Overall, +1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 4:24 PM, Jeff Zhang <zjf...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Folks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I raise this thread to discuss whether we need the interpreter >>>>> binding. Currently when user create notes, they have to bind interpreters >>>>> to their notes in note page. Otherwise they will hit interpreter not found >>>>> issue. Besides that in zeppelin server side, we maintain the interpreter >>>>> binding info in memory as well as in interpreter.json. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> IMHO, it is not necessary to do interpreter binding. Because it just >>>>> add extra burden to maintain the interpreter binding info in zeppelin >>>>> server side, and doesn't introduce any benefits. The only benefit is that >>>>> we will check whether user have permission to use this interpreter, but >>>>> actually zeppelin will check the permission when running paragraph, so I >>>>> don't think we need to introduce interpreter binding just for this kind of >>>>> permission check that we will do later. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So overall, I would suggest to remove interpreter binding feature. >>>>> What do you think ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> 이종열, Jongyoul Lee, 李宗烈 >>>>> >>>>> http://madeng.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> -- >> 이종열, Jongyoul Lee, 李宗烈 >> http://madeng.net >> >>
