Dear John, Mike, and All,

There are two key issues with clothing sizes. The first is the choice of
units of measurement and the choice of measurement intervals � I have
discussed this issue elsewhere.

The second key issue is that of the target population and the way in which
the individuals in that population vary, both from each other and also from
other populations.

For example, if we go back to a discussion we had on this list a few weeks
ago, where a Navy woman in the USA was using metric measures for uniforms.
To do this she needed to know the ranges in sizes of all the Navy personnel
so that she could have uniforms manufactured to fit them all. However, The
range of people in the USA Navy is not the same as the range of sizes in the
USA population at large (so to speak � and I mean no disrespect).

As another example, you might like to consider a range of women's wear made
for a market in Bangkok in Thailand. As Thai women tend to be quite small it
would not be feasible to buy a whole series of garments from Thailand and
transport them (say) to a market in Iowa.

A third, perhaps slightly less important issue is the way we express sizes.
Manufacturers make garments and then label them with a measurement that
relates to the intended wearer and not to any measurable dimension of the
garment. I sometimes wonder if it would be better to label the garment with
the garment's real dimensions and then each consumer could decide how they
wanted their garments to fit, ie, loosely or firmly.

Cheers,

Pat Naughtin CAMS
Geelong, Australia

on 2002-10-11 13.40, kilopascal at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 2002-10-10
> 
> Mike,
> 
> What clothes sizing system is used in Australia?  Do you use a metric based
> system or is it still inch based?  Do you see Australia adopting this new
> standard?
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Joy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, 2002-10-10 19:52
> Subject: [USMA:22611] Voluntary metrication
> 
> 
>> On 2002-10-07, Markus wrote:
>> 
>>> that an employee of Marks & Spencer (Jerry Dunleavy) was one of the
>> driving forces behind getting many large European clothes retailer
>> chains to work together on the new measurement-based metric labeling
>> standard.
>> *********
>> 
>> Now, wouldn't it be great if there was a US equivalent of Jerry Dunleavy?
>> This is what we need, and thereby avoiding the need to have a major
>> disaster to force change.
>> 
>> I know that the NIST and USMA guys are doing a tremendous job, but they
> are
>> swimming in treacle.
>> 
>> If anyone knows of a US equivalent of JD then let's have his name and
>> address, so we can all give him a tremendous BOOST!
>> 
>> This would counteract our enemy no.1 (Rupert Murdoch) who is doing so much
>> to prevent his papers and media in the US from using SI units.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> 
>> Mike Joy
>> Perth, Australia
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

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