Jim and Marcus:
Allow me to add my thoughts.  I think this posting is on topic because it
tries to put the issue of mandated metrication in context, as well as
discussing persuasive writing (which is an issue since we are trying to
persuade 300 million to metricate).

Clearly, freedom and security lead to economic prosperity.  I am in a world
history class right now, and that is one of the main ideas of the class.
Liberalism (equality before the law, democracy, economic freedom) has made
America rich.  Lack of liberalism has lead to economic inequity and the
decline of many societies.  So, freedom is essential.

Marcus, I think I can improve upon your example of how laws can limit
freedom to improve it.  Your example was laws against murder.  This is a
different kind of thing than laws about metrication or other things.  It
seems to me that laws, which are by nature compulsory and hence limit
freedom, serve two basic purposes:
1.  They protect.
2.  They provide for the common good (they try to benefit society).  Money
(property) has historically been equated with freedom.  Since many will do
better economically or some other way, they will gain more than they lose
(at least that is the idea).

Obviously protective laws (against killing, stealing, vandalism, etc.) are
necessary to maintain order and stability in society, without which no one
does well.

Other laws try to give some kind of benefit to society by limiting the
freedoms of individuals.  For example, the government of the State of Utah
takes some of my money from me (as sales tax) in order to pay for highways.
I don't have freedom about how to spend that money.  The voters have decided
that they will force everyone to provide for the common good.  We pay for
military protection, national parks, the breaking up of monopolies, the
Hubble, etc.  To me, it is perfectly appropriate for the government to do
these things, even though they do limit my rights and freedom.

The problem is that not everyone agrees what is worthwhile.  We limit zoning
so that our cities will be better to live in.  But how far should the
government go?  Some people want to limit what kind of siding houses in a
city can have (it improves property value).  Others want the government to
provide a welfare "safety net".  Mandated metrication is just one area of
conflict (at least, in the UK).  We will never all agree how far the
government should go, and obviously you two (Marcus and Jim) have very
different philosophies.

Marcus, the way we settle this kind of difference of opinion is by voting.
Jim may not like to pay for prescription drugs for seniors, but if the
voters choose that, he really doesn't have much choice, except to lobby (the
legislators and the public) and try legal maneuvering.  Ultimately, the
decision is made by the electorate, whether it is constitutional or wise or
not.  Even the Supreme Court is appointed by elected officials.  The only
other alternative to electoral control is to let someone be a dictator or
monarch.

This means that the government can't just make everyone do what a few people
in USMA think they should.  All we can really do is lobby, try legal
maneuvering, and try to make a difference by leading the public by example,
teaching, and personal influence (such as procurement choices).  We have to
understand that we can't order around the other 99.9% of Americans.  We
*can* try to persuade.  Marcus, persuasion takes time, especially when we
are so few.  We will not be taken seriously if we come across as completely
obsessed with what is to most people a rather obscure point.  I'm talking
about things like the following, from USMA:23296.

>And this is where my big beef is.  They want to push this stupidity
>onto others.  I've just found out recently that soya oil is now being
>sold in Brazil in hideous 900 mL when in the past we only saw 1 L
>containers!  And guess what.  Why?  You got it!  The containers are
>**the exact same ones** that in North America is housing 946 mL
>products!!... (judge for yourselves...)
>!$%@##$@#%@#

And this, from USMA:23206.

>No, I'm not!  They DO have a *choice*, just pick a size among the
>allowable ones and move on!  Again, I vehemently say, there can be
>no REASONABLE REASON W-H-A-T-S-O-E-V-E-R for insisting on 85 g cans,
>for instance, when you have 75 or 100 as choices especially when
>they'd allow you to keep package formats and your manufacturing line
>intact!

Please understand that I am trying to offer this criticism in a helpful way.
In my experience, people who are extremely vehement are more likely to be
speaking from emotion than reason.  I have noticed a pattern, that when I
see lots of exclamation marks and capitals, I should take the text with a
grain of salt.  It usually is wrong.  I'm not saying that what you write is
necessarily wrong, but vehemence does hurt credibility.  For example, what
would you think about someone who wrote a passionate, fervent letter (filled
with sweeping generalities in all capital letters) criticizing your use of
passive voice vs. active voice?  I, at least, would probably wonder why they
were so worked up and dismiss the letter.  We will not persuade Americans if
we act like we are on the fringe.

One more point.  Marcus, in USMA:23206 you mentioned companies that don't
metricate when you tell them to:
>They just don't wanna listen!!!

Here are some possible reasons for this:
1.  They are stubborn and irrational.  I think this is not a likely reason
for most companies.  You don't become rich this way.
2.  They are listening but just taking their time at it.  Or, they are doing
it a different way.
3.  They know something you don't.  This is quite likely, considering that
they have access to all of their records, machines, marketing surveys,
industry analysis, transportation networks,  retailer contacts, etc.  I
doubt you have all of these and can understand all of the variables better
than they can.

Try to give them the benefit of the doubt.  I prefer to see our relationship
with the rest of society as a friendly one, not an adversarial one.  After
all, I want to be a part of it.

Hope this sheds some light on these issues.

Carl




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