For the benefit of all, here's a repeat of the response I already sent privately.
That came through correctly, Pat. By the way, I never use MS Word to prepare emails. I either do it in the email composition window or, for HTML ones requiring extensive formatting or some of the features not available on the composition window menu (like superscripting or tables), I use MS FrontPage 2003. Bill Potts, CMS Roseville, CA http://metric1.org [SI Navigator] >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Behalf Of Pat Naughtin >Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 01:59 >To: U.S. Metric Association >Cc: U.S. Metric Association >Subject: [USMA:30412] Typographical quotes > > >Dear Bill, Terry, and All, > >I suspect that the 'typographical quotes' occur when I import material from >Microsoft Word. Unfortunately this is an intermittent behaviour. Let me >explain: > >Whenever I upgrade Microsoft Office, I have to then go through a step by >step procedure to alter the defaults away from Microsoft's prejudgements >about the setting I will use. > >1 I have to alter page layout to A4. >2 I have to alter all tab spacings. >3 I have to alter all margins on all types of documents. >5 I have to alter time and date settings to international formats, and, >6 I have to alter the settings that cause the 'typographical quotes'. > >And sometimes, I forget. > >I have now reset MS Word settings � again � and here are some test items. > >Imported from Microsoft Word >'This is "test" to see how this works'. > >Typed directly into this posting >'This is a "test" to see how this works'. > >I would appreciate your response. > >Cheers, > >Pat Naughtin >Geelong, Australia >-- > >on 2004-07-13 11.00, Bill Potts at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Pat: >> >> Could you please stop using typographical quotes. Your opening >quotes are >> coming out as an OE diphthong and your closing quotes are coming out as a >> superscripted 1. >> >> If you're using MS Word to create your message, you should note >that you can >> turn off the feature that turns plain quotes into typographical quotes. >> >> I wonder if others are experiencing the same problem with Pat's messages. >> (I'm using Outlook 2000.) Note that I use the same encoding Pat does >> (Western European ISO -- ISO-8859-1) -- although incoming >messages default >> to whatever code the sender is using, anyway. >> >> Bill Potts, CMS >> Roseville, CA >> http://metric1.org [SI Navigator] >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Behalf Of Pat Naughtin >>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 16:49 >>> To: U.S. Metric Association >>> Subject: [USMA:30394] New UKMA initiative Clauses 6.18 to 6.20 >>> >>> >>> Dear Chris, >>> >>> In the light of your remarks on pages 39 and 40 (Clauses 6.18 >to 6.20) of >>> your report, 'A very British mess', you might find these observations >>> interesting. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Pat Naughtin >>> Geelong, Australia >>> >>> >>> In Australia, the building industry chose millimetres as their >small unit. >>> The actual statement in the pamphlet, �Metric Information � for >>> Building and >>> Construction Workers� (October 1973), said: >>> >>> �(1) Distances for transport will be measured in kilometres (km) >>> 1�km = 1�000 m = about 5/8 mile >>> >>> �(2) The centimetre will be used in the clothing industry. >It is only 10 >>> times 1�mm and to avoid confusion it will not be used in building. >>> >>> �N.B. DON�T use a tape or rule marked in both millimetres and feet and >>> inches and never use one marked in centimetres�. >>> >>> >>> The words, 'will not be used in building', were printed in bold >letters in >>> the original document. >>> >>> With this one decision, the Metric Conversion Board removed the >>> need for all >>> vulgar fractions (and all calculations involving vulgar >fractions) and all >>> decimal fractions (and all calculations involving decimal >fractions) on any >>> building site. I believe that this single decision was largely >instrumental >>> in allowing the Australian building industry to make a smooth and >>> relatively >>> rapid transition to metrication. In my own personal experience, for most >>> builders metrication was largely completed by 1976. >>> >>> In the book, �Metrication in Australia�, Kevin Wilks says that >(by 1982): >>> >>> �Building regulations in all States had been metric for many years. All >>> plans and specifications, development applications, building >materials and >>> promotional literature for project homes were metric, although a >>> few project >>> builders, selling principally to retired people, saw some advantage in >>> giving imperial equivalents�. >>> >>> In comparison, the clothing industry, which chose to use centimetres, is >>> still struggling with their metrication transition, even after >more than 30 >>> years. >>> >>> I have worked extensively in both the Australian building and textile >>> industries and I have personally seen the dramatic differences >between the >>> two metric conversion processes. >>> >>> My conclusion is that the use of millimetres leads to a more rapid and >>> smooth conversion than does the use of centimetres. >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Occupations and millimetres >>> >>> In a recent study that I did on occupations in Australia, I >noted that for >>> most job descriptions, millimetres were used as the basic small measure. >>> Here is my analysis of a list of occupations that I obtained from the >>> Australian Bureau of Statistics: >>> >>> 90 occupations � millimetre users >>> Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (Avionics), Aircraft Maintenance Engineer >>> (Mechanical), Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (Structures), Automotive >>> Electrician, Binder and Finisher, Blacksmith, Boat Builder and Repairer, >>> Bricklayer, Broadcast Transmitter Operator, Business Machine Mechanic, >>> Cabinetmaker, Cable Jointer, Carpenter, Carpenter and Joiner, >>> Communications >>> Linesperson, Computing Support Technician, Dental Technician, Drainer, >>> Electrical Engineering Technician, Electrical Powerline Tradesperson, >>> Electrician (Special Class), Electronic Engineering Technician, >Electronic >>> Equipment Tradesperson, Electronic Instrument Tradesperson >(Special Class), >>> Electroplater, Engraver, Farrier, Fibrous Plasterer, Fitter, Flat Glass >>> Tradesperson, Floor Finisher, Furniture Finisher, Furniture Upholsterer, >>> Gasfitter, Gem Cuter and Polisher, General Communications Tradesperson, >>> General Electrician, General Electronic Instrument Tradesperson, General >>> Fabrication Engineering Tradesperson, General Mechanical Engineering >>> Tradesperson, General Plumber, Glass Blower, Graphic Pre-Press >>> Tradesperson, >>> Greenkeeper, Gunsmith, Jeweller, Joiner, Leather Goods Maker, Lift >>> Mechanic, >>> Locksmith, Mechanical Engineering Technician, Mechanical Services and >>> Airconditioning Plumber, Medical Grade Shoemaker, Metal Casting >>> Tradesperson, Metal Fabricator (Boilermaker), Metal Machinist >>> (First Class), >>> Metal Polisher, Motor Mechanic, Optical Mechanic, Painter and Decorator, >>> Panel Beater, Patternmaker-Grader (Clothing), Piano maker, Piano Tune, >>> Precision Instrument Maker and Repairer, Pressure Welder, Printing >>> Machinist, Refrigeration and Airconditioning Mechanic, Roof >Plumber, Roof >>> Slater and Tiler, Saw Maker and Repairer, Screen Printer, Small Offset >>> Printer, Sheetmetal Worker (First Class), Shipwright, Shoemaker, >>> Signwriter, >>> Small Offset Printer, Solid Plasterer, Stonemason, Textile, Clothing or >>> Footwear Mechanic, Toolmaker, Upholsterers and Bedding Tradespersons, >>> Vehicle Body Maker, Vehicle Painter, Vehicle Trimmer, Wall and >Floor Tiler, >>> Watch and Clock Maker and Repairer, Welder (First Class), Wood >>> Tradesperson, >>> and Wood Turner. >>> >>> 10 occupations � centimetre and inches users >>> Apparel Cutter, Baker, Chef, Chef � Head Chef, Cook, Dressmaker, General >>> Clothing Tradesperson, Pastry Cook, Picture Framer, and Tailor. >>> >>> 7 occupations � centimetre, feet and inches users >>> Canvas Goods Maker, General Gardener, Head Gardener, Landscape Gardener, >>> Nurseryperson, Sail Maker, Tree Surgeon >>> >>> 7 occupations where length measures are relatively unimportant >>> Butcher, Buttermaker or Cheesemaker, Confectioner, Hairdresser, >Smallgoods >>> Maker Supervisor, Hairdressers Supervisor, and Meat Tradespersons. >>> >>> In summary >>> >>> millimetres 90 occupations = 78.9 % >>> centimetres and inches 10 occupations = 8.8 % >>> centimetres, feet, and inches 7 occupations = 6.1 % >>> Few length measures 7 occupations = 6.1 % >>> Total 114 occupations = 100 % >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Pat Naughtin LCAMS >>> Geelong, Australia >>> >>> Pat Naughtin is the editor of the free online newsletter, 'Metrication >>> matters'. You can subscribe by sending an email containing the words >>> subscribe Metrication matters to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> -- >>> >> >
