I agree that the best transition is a fast one but you won't find a
president on either side of the aisle that is willing to be brave enough to
change "everything" at once. Maybe a few things like metric only package
labelling and even switching to Celcius but no president is going to push
for metrication during his four year term even though it's doable.  They'd
have to have tremendous political capital and be able to cast it in such a
good light that every American would agree it's a good thing to do and as
many of us know getting Americans to agree about anything at all is nigh on
impossible :).

Besides, I would foresee that if the presidential administration DID switch
to SI totally during that four years the one after him would champion "Going
back to the grassroots that America was founded on" and start rolling back
the changes.

The only way to set the law in stone towards  SI is to do it gradually until
people think that there has never been anything but that and they're used to
it. We may even have to go so far as letting the contractors that build our
roads do so in feet and inches provided they sign them in meters and
kilometers until the generation of engineers that prefer and have fought the
government on that retires and a newer one can take its place. Old habits
die hard.

We had a maths class that brought this up the other day. The question was
something along the lines of "Find the vertical clearance of a 2km long pipe
that has an eight percent slope" I did it and came out with 160m vertical
clearance from beginning to end.

Out of the class of 30 students, I was one of perhaps 2 or three people who
even knew what a meter was. Of course in Idaho teaching metric is mandated
but most teachers simply ignore it or brush over it.  About half the
studen'ts asked the professor if we would be tested on metric equations and
he said yes. He then encouraged us to learn the conversions between meters
and kilometers etc.  The 20 or so students that were asking the question
then asked him if it would be okay if they converted the answer to inches
and feet and solved it. He of course replied no because that's not the
format the question was in and furthermore we should all know the
conversions anyway for our own good.

Thus ensued a ten minute long debate about how "This is America and we do
things this way" etc :).  Several of the students made up their minds to
convert any SI unit they saw to the equivalent USC and then work problems
that way no matter how messy or complicated it got and threatened the
teacher with being dragged in front of a review board if he dared to mark
them wrong for not being in the correct units.

This is an extreme example but it makes the poiint that there are still
strong pockets of resistence to overcome. I felt bad for my professor having
to explain all this and then getting verbally chewed out for it but I think
he'll stand his ground on the issue. Hopefully the rest of us can do the
same and we can keep the ball rolling in the right direction.

Mike

Mike

On 1/16/07, Linda D. Bergeron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I am going to have to agree with Bill on this one. The US has had 30 years
to convert 'slowly'. Not only has it not done so, there are areas of
backslidding. For instance several years ago, at my local Wal-Mart you could
find all kinds of metric measuring cups and scales. Now most everything of
that sort has gone back to Fred Flintstone Units.

Thus we have seen the "slow" way does not work. Congress needs to get off
its duff and carry out its constitutional duty and designate the metric
system as the only lawful system for the US, effective by a specified date.
And then have the political guts to stick by it when this or that special
intrest screams boldy murder.

Although I do not see that happening anytime soon. Even with the Democrats
in control of Congress.

Linda Bergeron



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From: *Bill Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: *"U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]>*
Subject: *[USMA:37754] piecemeal metrication*
Date: *Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:49:20 -0500*


On 2007 Jan 16 , at 8:38 AM, Mike Millet wrote:
That's why the best and smoothest transition in the US ... (will be) ...
rather from slow gradual economic and societal change.

"Slow" and "gradual" means difficult and expensive. During a long, slow
transition, both the old and new systems would be in effect causing a great
deal of confusion and extra work. Furthermore, when two systems are both in
effect, people would tend to continue using the old, familiar system. They
would not "gradually become familiar" with the new one.

Mike goes on to say:
give the US consumer some time ... (to become accustomed to dual labeling)
... then gradually introduce temperature and fuel and finally road signage
changes.

It's difficult to change one things at a time because there are so many
interconnections between units. If one changes fuel measurement at one time
and road signage (including distance) at another time, when do you change
fuel economy figures from miles per gallon to kilometres per litre (or
litres per 100 kilometres)?

Do you first change from miles per gallon to miles per litre (when litres
are adopted) and then change from miles per litre to kilometres per litre at
a later time (when kilometres are adopted). That would mean having to make
TWO changes instead of just one for fuel economy alone (in addition to the
necessary changes from gallons to litres and from miles to kilometres.

Thus, instead of making a total of three changes at one time:
   gal. to L,
   mi. to km,
   mi/gal to km/L
you'd have to make FOUR changes spread out over an extended period of
time:
   gal. to L,
   mi./gal. to mi./L,
   mi. to km,
   mi./L to km/L.

Another example would be cooking times based on oven temperature and
amount of food. We have charts or directions in Fahrenheit and pounds; we
will need to get to Celsius and kilograms.
Do we make TWO changes, first from Fahrenheit+pounds to Celsius+pounds and
later a second change from Celsius+pounds to Celsius+kilograms? How foolish
when we can do it in one change if we convert all things simultaneously.

There are other relationships that cause would cause problems, too. We
know (actually I had to look up this first one) that there are 231 in^3 in a
gallon and 1000 cm^3 in a litre. If we convert volumes from gallons to
litres before we convert inches to centimetres, then in the interim (when we
are using litres and inches), do we need to know how many cubic inches there
are in a litre?  (The answer is 61.023 7441, by the way.) Again, MORE
conversions are needed when changes are made in several steps instead of all
at once.


Regards,
Bill Hooper
Fernandina Beach, Florida, USA

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