In my first test in the physics class at University we were set a problem 
involving Bernoulli's equation of fluid flow.  There was a real mish-mash of 
units - inches, centimetres, metre/second, pressure in psi, accelatation due to 
gravity as 9.8 m/s^2 and so on.  The test was to see who had the sense to 
reduce everything at a compatible set of units.  Very few student got it right 
and since we wer ein teh top tutorial group (everybody in our group having gat 
an "A" at secondary school) we had a right dressing down from the professor.  I 
will never forget it.

I now explain it as "Je ne par mix mon units" or "Ich mussen mir units nicht 
mixen"  Perhaps the American version would replace the French or German with 
Spanish.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mike Millet 
  To: U.S. Metric Association 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 4:09 PM
  Subject: [USMA:37764] RE: piecemeal metrication


  I agree that the best transition is a fast one but you won't find a president 
on either side of the aisle that is willing to be brave enough to change 
"everything" at once. Maybe a few things like metric only package labelling and 
even switching to Celcius but no president is going to push for metrication 
during his four year term even though it's doable.  They'd have to have 
tremendous political capital and be able to cast it in such a good light that 
every American would agree it's a good thing to do and as many of us know 
getting Americans to agree about anything at all is nigh on impossible :). 

  Besides, I would foresee that if the presidential administration DID switch 
to SI totally during that four years the one after him would champion "Going 
back to the grassroots that America was founded on" and start rolling back the 
changes. 

  The only way to set the law in stone towards  SI is to do it gradually until 
people think that there has never been anything but that and they're used to 
it. We may even have to go so far as letting the contractors that build our 
roads do so in feet and inches provided they sign them in meters and kilometers 
until the generation of engineers that prefer and have fought the government on 
that retires and a newer one can take its place. Old habits die hard. 

  We had a maths class that brought this up the other day. The question was 
something along the lines of "Find the vertical clearance of a 2km long pipe 
that has an eight percent slope" I did it and came out with 160m vertical 
clearance from beginning to end. 

  Out of the class of 30 students, I was one of perhaps 2 or three people who 
even knew what a meter was. Of course in Idaho teaching metric is mandated but 
most teachers simply ignore it or brush over it.  About half the studen'ts 
asked the professor if we would be tested on metric equations and he said yes. 
He then encouraged us to learn the conversions between meters and kilometers 
etc.  The 20 or so students that were asking the question then asked him if it 
would be okay if they converted the answer to inches and feet and solved it. He 
of course replied no because that's not the format the question was in and 
furthermore we should all know the conversions anyway for our own good.  

  Thus ensued a ten minute long debate about how "This is America and we do 
things this way" etc :).  Several of the students made up their minds to 
convert any SI unit they saw to the equivalent USC and then work problems that 
way no matter how messy or complicated it got and threatened the teacher with 
being dragged in front of a review board if he dared to mark them wrong for not 
being in the correct units.  

  This is an extreme example but it makes the poiint that there are still 
strong pockets of resistence to overcome. I felt bad for my professor having to 
explain all this and then getting verbally chewed out for it but I think he'll 
stand his ground on the issue. Hopefully the rest of us can do the same and we 
can keep the ball rolling in the right direction. 

  Mike

  Mike


  On 1/16/07, Linda D. Bergeron < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
    I am going to have to agree with Bill on this one. The US has had 30 years 
to convert 'slowly'. Not only has it not done so, there are areas of 
backslidding. For instance several years ago, at my local Wal-Mart you could 
find all kinds of metric measuring cups and scales. Now most everything of that 
sort has gone back to Fred Flintstone Units. 

    Thus we have seen the "slow" way does not work. Congress needs to get off 
its duff and carry out its constitutional duty and designate the metric system 
as the only lawful system for the US, effective by a specified date. And then 
have the political guts to stick by it when this or that special intrest 
screams boldy murder. 

    Although I do not see that happening anytime soon. Even with the Democrats 
in control of Congress.

    Linda Bergeron





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      From: Bill Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
      Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
      To: "U.S. Metric Association" < [email protected]>
      Subject: [USMA:37754] piecemeal metrication
      Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:49:20 -0500





      On 2007 Jan 16 , at 8:38 AM, Mike Millet wrote:
      That's why the best and smoothest transition in the US ... (will be) ... 
rather from slow gradual economic and societal change.  


      "Slow" and "gradual" means difficult and expensive. During a long, slow 
transition, both the old and new systems would be in effect causing a great 
deal of confusion and extra work. Furthermore, when two systems are both in 
effect, people would tend to continue using the old, familiar system. They 
would not "gradually become familiar" with the new one. 


      Mike goes on to say:
      give the US consumer some time ... (to become accustomed to dual 
labeling) ... then gradually introduce temperature and fuel and finally road 
signage changes.  


      It's difficult to change one things at a time because there are so many 
interconnections between units. If one changes fuel measurement at one time and 
road signage (including distance) at another time, when do you change fuel 
economy figures from miles per gallon to kilometres per litre (or litres per 
100 kilometres)?  


      Do you first change from miles per gallon to miles per litre (when litres 
are adopted) and then change from miles per litre to kilometres per litre at a 
later time (when kilometres are adopted). That would mean having to make TWO 
changes instead of just one for fuel economy alone (in addition to the 
necessary changes from gallons to litres and from miles to kilometres. 


      Thus, instead of making a total of three changes at one time: 
         gal. to L, 
         mi. to km, 
         mi/gal to km/L 
      you'd have to make FOUR changes spread out over an extended period of 
time:
         gal. to L, 
         mi./gal. to mi./L, 
         mi. to km,
         mi./L to km/L.


      Another example would be cooking times based on oven temperature and 
amount of food. We have charts or directions in Fahrenheit and pounds; we will 
need to get to Celsius and kilograms. 
      Do we make TWO changes, first from Fahrenheit+pounds to Celsius+pounds 
and later a second change from Celsius+pounds to Celsius+kilograms? How foolish 
when we can do it in one change if we convert all things simultaneously. 


      There are other relationships that cause would cause problems, too. We 
know (actually I had to look up this first one) that there are 231 in^3 in a 
gallon and 1000 cm^3 in a litre. If we convert volumes from gallons to litres 
before we convert inches to centimetres, then in the interim (when we are using 
litres and inches), do we need to know how many cubic inches there are in a 
litre?  (The answer is 61.023 7441, by the way.) Again, MORE conversions are 
needed when changes are made in several steps instead of all at once.




      Regards,
      Bill Hooper
      Fernandina Beach, Florida, USA


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