Stephen Abbot & all concerned:
I would vote for "Calendar reform"
I thnak you for 'consideration of the Calendar Question?'
As for linking the concept of time as you have, below, that's fine, and I
suppose it's necessary for a full scientific discussion of calendars (much
of which will be going right over my head - and the heads of most other
laymen, I'm afraid.) However, I am exceedingly wary of those who insist on
linking the adoption of the metric system (or some other system) with
calendar reform proposals, since as others have pointed out, the metric
system has not been fully adopted internationally, and there is still great
resistance to it.
I have examined the Question of Calendar Reform updating/upgrdaing my ideas
generated since 1971 - of cource as a layman; with no back ground to be
talking and/or arguing my 'concepts' for some 35 years. May be I have wasted
my time. money & resources - BUT I keep telling my children/grandchildren
that some day they shall THIS HAPPEN, with or without modification of my
generated ideas. My works can be traced through media publications:
http://brijvij.com/eBookCopyrights-n-Patent_ParliamentaryReferences.doc
and my Home Page: http://www.brijvij.com/
or pages at: http://www.the-light.com/cal/ and at:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/calendar.creations/index.htm
I have tried to provide: the approach for REFORM to satisfy the impacts
feared towards COST that may need be incurred if and when the change need
be brought about;
(a) No change to 7-day Sabbath cycle;
(b) No change to 12/24-hour clock face;
(c) No/or minimal change to Gregorian calendar format;
(d) No major change to mathematical/trigonometric functions; and
(e) availability of the most easily adaptable scheme with least possible
changes to get the
surest, easiest and cheapest transitional proposal
This is what I consider, could be the *surest, easiest & cheapest* plan,
that need NO EXPERT to follow/understand.
Regards,
Brij Bhushan Vij
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From: Stephen Abbott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Stephen Abbott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SI & Calendars Re: Calendar Wiki
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:41:25 -0500
I actually don't see how a wiki that talks about all aspects of time and
space advances the cause of calendar reform.
I'm not sure if you understand this, but ANYONE who shows up on it can edit
a wiki. If the subject is "Time and Space" it will instantly be cluttered
up
with such subjects as:
- The planets - their size, their names (an article for each planet known
to
man)
- The solar system - and debates over which planets are "real" and which
aren't
- The galaxies
- Does anti-matter exist?
- The origin of space and time - scientific and theological
- Time travel
- The evolution of timekeeping and the history of watches
- Was Einstein right? Was he wrong? What about his theories of spacetime?
As you can tell, none of this has anything to do with calendars, or
calendar
reform. Perhaps ephemeral topics like those above have been the subject
HERE
for the past few years, and that's great (if that's the mission of the
List,
that is.) But on a wiki, it's best to have a narrow topic that's
well-defined. I've seen some that have had loose definitions and NO focus,
and it's been utter chaos, and one is left asking "what's the point?"
I would vote for "Calendar reform" or some other variant if a "Calendar
wiki" isn't available. I also suggest a "layman's" section as well as more
scientific articles and places for deeper discussions. Places for people to
present their own "new" and "experimental" calendar proposals would also be
beneficial, and may push the debate further along.
As for linking the concept of time as you have, below, that's fine, and I
suppose it's necessary for a full scientific discussion of calendars (much
of which will be going right over my head - and the heads of most other
laymen, I'm afraid.) However, I am exceedingly wary of those who insist on
linking the adoption of the metric system (or some other system) with
calendar reform proposals, since as others have pointed out, the metric
system has not been fully adopted internationally, and there is still great
resistance to it.
I also can't see a reform of the calendar that the US does not accept, and
the U.S will not accept metrics anytime soon.
Stephen A.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brij Bhushan Vij" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: SI & Calendars Re: Calendar Wiki
> Stephen Abbott, sir:
> >Time and Space
> True, the broad base can be provided by 'Time & Space'; BUT this shall
kill
> intended interest for Reform of the calendar question that has alraedy
> lingered for some 400 years. However, the area 'delibrately left
ignored'
is
> the bridging of Time Unit with Length unit (and/or arc angle).
> This areas need be examined now unless we intent to meet YET another
failure
> like that for French Republican Calendar. As I pointed in my several
posts
> during 2002-2003 that these areas can be handled INDEPENDENTLY of one
> another (in phased manner):
> (1) linking Time unit with Length Unit , on Earth & in space;
> (2) examining base unit for time that can be linked with arc
angle/length
> unit;
> (3) examining: what 'leap methodology be adopted' to count atomic
> seconds/days/years for solar planetary bodies - especially the Earth,
Moon
&
> Sun as linked to humans on Earth for the possibility of A World Calendar
for
> All Ages.
> It is my impression that enough churning has already been done 'via a
> scientific study' to adopt changes in *div.4/skip100th/count400th years'
to
> improve Mean Year=365.2421875 days with div.4/skip128th years*; OR to
favour
> Leap Weeks on div.6 (plus additional Keplers' Leap Weeks) as I provide,
also
> fixing CE zero year BC/AD as at my Home Page: http://www.brijvij.com/
> Please see: http://www.brijvij.com/Brij-Sites-n-search.doc
> http://www.brijvij.com/brij8019_ln-yr.pdf
> My recent calendar format can be seen at:
> http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_Gen8Cal.doc
> Regards,
> Brij Bhushan Vij
> (MJD 24541014)/630+D-013 G (Saturday, 2007 January 13 H22:71 (decimal)
IST
> Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda
> Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30
> Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30
> (365th day of Year is World Day)
> HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/
> ******As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar*****
> "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai"
> Contact # 011-9818775933 (M)
> 001(201)675-8548(when in US)
>
>
> >From: Stephen Abbott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Stephen Abbott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Calendar Wiki
> >Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 00:04:49 -0500
> >
> >Is "Time and Space" the suggested Wikia title? That's extremely broad,
if
> >so.
> >
> >Stephen A.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Engel,Victor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:10 AM
> >Subject: Re: Calendar Wiki
> >
> >
> > > I finally got a reply to my application for a wikia section for
> >calendars.
> > > The reply suggested I pick a wider category, so I replied referring
this
> > > Time and Space stub.
> > >
> > > I won't have time until a couple weeks from now to make changes, but
I
> >plan
> > > on updating it after then.
> > >
> > > Victor
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Peters
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 4:34 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: Calendar Wiki
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Op 22-dec-2006, om 0:28 heeft Stephen Abbott het volgende
geschreven:
> > > >
> > > > > I've been lurking and reading for the past few weeks, but I
> > > > have to
> > > > > comment
> > > > > on this.
> > > > >
> > > > > A Calendar Wikia would be a GREAT idea. I would recommend it be
> > > > > focused on
> > > > > calendar reform ideas as well as calendar studies, and it could
> > > > > even have
> > > > > sections devoted to illustrating and discussing calendars now in
> > > > > use and
> > > > > historical calendars.
> > > > >
> > > > > It also lends itself to collaborative efforts in designing
> > > > innovative
> > > > > calendar reform ideas, which is a very exciting idea to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are really endless possibilities. The danger is that it
> > > > > becomes all
> > > > > about the intellectual, arcane or even philosophical aspects of
> > > > > calendars
> > > > > (part of the reason why I've been so SILENT here - I'm
overwhelmed
> > > > > sometimes
> > > > > by the complexity, and the math doesn't interest me much.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Most visitors won't be calendar scholars, just calendar
> > > > enthusiasts. I
> > > > > suggest making it easily accessible to both groups and that can
be
> > > > > done on
> > > > > the main page.
> > > > >
> > > > > More good news is that Wikia shares a copyright with
> > > > Wikipedia, and
> > > > > all
> > > > > content there on the subject of calendars can be transfered to
the
> > > > > Wikia.
> > > > > Although I would suggest that the Calendar Wikia have different
> > > > > criterea for
> > > > > articles. Some will still need to be encyclopedic in nature, but
> > > > > others,
> > > > > more collaborative and open to changes and modification (and
even
> > > > > opinion.)
> > > > > Victor is also right in saying that wikis are easy to create and
> > > > > easy to
> > > > > use.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have created and maintained several Wikia (this word is
> > > > singular and
> > > > > plural) and would be very happy to help get this one off the
> > > > > ground and
> > > > > even be the one to broach the topic with the owners, who will
> > > > > ultimately
> > > > > decide whether to allow it to go forward on their site.
> > > > >
> > > > > It will come as no surprise now to tell you that I've
> > > > thought of this
> > > > > before, but was hesitant to take this on all by myself. I was
> > > > > waiting for
> > > > > the group of folks who could help, and in fact, the Wikia people
> > > > > will not
> > > > > generally allow a group to be created unless a few people are
> > > > > committed to
> > > > > maintaining and expanding it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yours,
> > > > > Stephen A.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Nhprman
> > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Engel,Victor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 4:20 PM
> > > > > Subject: Calendar Wiki
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> I just discovered wikia.com. I suggest that it would be a good
> > > > >> spot for us
> > > > >> to share our ideas. I've been hosting files at http://the-
> > > > >> light.com/cal/
> > > > > but
> > > > >> perhaps it's time to move to a more neutral site -- and
> > > > one that's
> > > > >> not so
> > > > >> cumbersome.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thoughts?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Victor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > OK, I created http://academia.wikia.com/wiki/Time_and_Space .
> > > > I made
> > > > it a rather broad category because the existing journals are still
> > > > pretty empty. Stephen, Victor: does this look a bit like you
> > > > intended? Will you support this?
> > > >
> > > > I intend to add these articles:
> > > >
> > > > - update of constants of Chapront and Meeus books
> > > > - Fumocy and its use to predict syzygies (essentially the
> > > > controversial section from
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_moon_cycle)
> > > > - explanation of Hansen's procedure to compute syzygies and
eclipses
> > > > from series expansions derived from series expansions for the
> > > > coordinates of the Sun and Moon.
> > > > --
> > > > Tom Peters
> > > >
> > >
>
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