There's an underlying concern here. Good math is of no use and it is perhaps dangerous if it is inappropriately applied. We see this frequently in the matter of unit conversions. Most people can take a table and a calculator and convert non-metric dimensions on a drawing into metric dimensions. All too often, though, they don't do it correctly because they don't have knowledge of some important principles. One must know more than just math to properly calculate unit conversions.

I spent several weeks once doing a corrective calibration of a multiwire drift chamber detector (for high energy subatomic particles) that was built with "mathematically correct" (but erroneous) dimensions as a result of not understanding principles of error accumulation, manufacturing processes, etc. The plan was metric and it was converted to non-metric for fabrication with numbers that looked right, but were indeed not. This is of course another argument against "soft conversion" metrication (or its inverse).

I would not let my Introductory Physics students design a bridge that was certified safe for vehicles or pedestrians. At the introductory level, principles are the important learning points. After that, comes and understanding of uncertainty in data and resulting calculations. Both of these are essential predecessors to "getting the right answers". I've seen cases where "right answer" focussed people made erroneous, non-applicable calculations that resulted in the numbers they expected to get---which were in fact the wrong numbers.

Indeed, the purpose of certification of engineers is to ensure that the method of calculation is proper. This is one major difference between and engineer and an engineering technician. That's why the subjects covered in the engineering exams are things like statics, dynamics, E&M theory, and so forth instead of knowledge of algebra and arithmetic.

Yes, it's important for an engineer to get the math right in a calculation. But first that engineer must do the correct calculation, and that relies on a knowledge of and proper application of principles.

Jim

Bill Hooper wrote:

On 2007 Dec 3 , at 3:55 PM, m. f. moon wrote:

All I can say it is, as an engineer, answers do count. People die when wrong
answers are given.

Of course m.f. is right. I should have been more careful how I stated that. My statement that "answer don't count" was intended to be for an educational setting. The most important thing to learn in school at any level is the method to get the answers. When learning the methods, it is the method that is important, not the answer. Of course, one of the most important reasons for learning the methods is so they can be used in the real world to get useful and important answers. And that is because, as m.f. writes, "answers DO count" in the real world.


Regards,
Bill Hooper
Fernandina Beach, Florida, USA

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