Brij,

I share the observation made by Bill Potts that you have been persistent in reiterating your suggestions for radical revisions to the SI.

Your recommendations represent extreme changes and they stand no chance of acceptance. Please review the history of the SI as it developed. You will see that changes have been incremental and in small increments at that! Indeed, that is the intent and purpose of the administrative structure that was set up under the Treaty of the Meter -- to avoid sweeping changes and to keep a consistent design in place.

The purpose of the USMA mail list, in my view, is primarily to monitor and to promote the metrication of the U.S. This list also serves well to help people get answers to questions they have about the **current** SI. It can also provide a vehicle for suggesting **small** changes, such as the content of the SI brochure, NIST publications, and SI 10. Occasional suggestions for a new name for the kilogram are about as heady as most people here care to get, I think.

Therefore your repeated recommendations for large revisions of the SI are not of interest to me and just clutter the list I see in my inbox. I prefer to see reports on progress made, examples of actions taken to push metrication, and suggestions on supporting the cause. New calendars, new definitions for units of time, and the like do nothing to meet those goals.

Your thoughts may be brilliant, Brij -- I don't have the ability to judge that -- but I suggest that they may find more fertile ground on an academic discussion forum. I encourage you to find such outlets for your suggested changes to the SI and to spend your efforts on this list in the metrication goals I mentioned above. Please use your keen mind to help us metricate the U.S. instead of trying to significantly change the SI via this list.

Jim

Brij Bhushan Vij wrote:
Bill, sir:
>.....make changes to the basic units that would have staggering repercussions. I thank you for mixed feelings and your trust in my approach. While I agree, enough is enough, I generally respond to mail that I feel is likely to be of interest in 'taking USA & the world' towards total metrication; in that I have provided solutions to most problems *demonstrated at my Home Page: http://brijvij.com/*. I point to a consolidated suggestion: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_metro-contrbn.2007.pdf and the general input on calendars: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_Wikia-calendar.pdf I shall be glad to 'discuss any expected repurcussions', if you deem approperiate (in private or otherwise) since my thoughts are OPEN for the advantage of *man's struggle to improve upon the existing norms*.
With regards,
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    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: [USMA:40702] RE: sm vs sd - definitions RE: RE: Promoting
    Metrication
    Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:03:57 -0700

    Brij:
You certainly get high marks for persistence. But, please, enough is
    enough. I'm happy with SI as it stands (with some minor exceptions
    not related to your quest to make changes to the basic units that
    would have staggering repercussions).
Peace. Bill
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    Bill Potts
    Roseville, CA
    http://metric1.org <http://metric1.org/> [SI Navigator]

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        *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brij Bhushan Vij
        *Sent:* Friday, March 28, 2008 09:37
        *To:* U.S. Metric Association
        *Subject:* [USMA:40701] sm vs sd - definitions RE: RE: Promoting
        Metrication

        Bill, Martin & all:
         >In the case of calculating 1 Ms, I realized that 86400 x 11
        was a little
         >under 10^6 while 86400 x 12 was a little over 10^6.
         My earlier contributions during 1970-71....onwards reflected
        THIS aspect, as listed are:
        http://brijvij.com/eBookCopyrights-n-Patent_ParliamentaryReferences.doc
        If we go by the proposed Metric Second (1973), A Quinto-Day
        (5-day interval would be: (5*20)*100mm*100sm is 10^6 metric seconds.
        However, I have for the time, now shelved the ideas in favour of
        24hx100mdx100sd i.e. the day-night be of 2*12 hours as existing
        now, with 100x100 sub-divisions of the hour. Please see:
        http://www.brijvij.com/bb_deci-sec-nu-mtr.pdf
        Regards,
Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 2454554)/995+D-047W12-05 (G. Friday, 2008 March 28 H
        22:11(decimal) IST
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        Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30
        (365th day of Year is World Day)
        HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/
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         > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
         > To: [email protected]
         > Subject: [USMA:40691] RE: Promoting Metrication
         > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:31:21 +0000
         >
         > Bill,
         >
         > My start point was that there are 86400 seconds in a day. I
        calculated this
         > some years ago when I was working out the best way to
        represent time in a
         > computer and I noticed that you could not represent the time
        of day using a
         > 16 bit unsigned integer.
         >
         > In the case of calculating 1 Ms, I realized that 86400 x 11
        was a little
         > under 10^6 while 86400 x 12 was a little over 10^6.
         >
         > -----Original Message-----
         > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
         > Of Bill Potts
         > Sent: 27 March 2008 01:15
         > To: U.S. Metric Association
         > Subject: [USMA:40684] RE: Promoting Metrication
         >
         > I was about to correct you when I read your own correction.
         >
         > I always remember that 1 Ms is 11 days, 13 hours, 46 minutes,
        40 seconds,
         > because I set myself a challenge, when I was in my teens, to
        calculate it in
         > my head. There any many things about my teens that I've
        happily forgotten
         > (mostly very embarrassing stuff), but not that.
         >
         > Bill
         > ________________________________
         > Bill Potts
         > Roseville, CA
         > http://metric1.org [SI Navigator]
         >
         >
         > -----Original Message-----
         > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
         > Of Martin Vlietstra
         > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 14:40
         > To: U.S. Metric Association
         > Subject: [USMA:40683] RE: Promoting Metrication
         >
         > Oops, 11 days is about 1 Ms, so 100 Ms is about 3 years.
         >
         > -----Original Message-----
         > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
         > Of Martin Vlietstra
         > Sent: 26 March 2008 21:35
         > To: U.S. Metric Association
         > Subject: [USMA:40682] RE: Promoting Metrication
         >
         > 100 Ms? That is about every 11 days :-)
         >
         > -----Original Message-----
         > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
         > Of Bill Potts
         > Sent: 26 March 2008 20:41
         > To: U.S. Metric Association
         > Subject: [USMA:40680] RE: Promoting Metrication
         >
         > Martin:
         >
         > Nobody is denying the status of the word "metric," as a noun,
        OUTSIDE the
         > scope and context of SI.
         >
         > However, WITHIN the scope and context of SI, "metric" is only
        ever used as
         > an adjective.
         >
         > Outside SI, "metric" does not refer to a standard, but to a
        means. "Metrics"
         > typically consist of counts and percentages (and, often, very
        subjective
         > ones). Where those who use the term "metrics" need to use
        units of measure,
         > there is no implicit standard that determines what those
        units will be.
         > Here, of course, we hope they'll use SI units (and, in almost
        all other
         > countries, they would do so as a matter of course), but
        that's beside the
         > point.
         >
         > This, by the way, is a topic we dealt with on this list over
        10 years ago. I
         > guess it does need to be brought up, though, from time to
        time (maybe every
         > 100 Ms or so).
         >
         > Bill
         > ________________________________
         > Bill Potts
         > Roseville, CA
         > http://metric1.org [SI Navigator]
         >
         >
         > -----Original Message-----
         > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
         > Of Martin Vlietstra
         > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 13:03
         > To: U.S. Metric Association
         > Subject: [USMA:40679] RE: Promoting Metrication
         >
         > Gene,
         >
         > Metric is a noun as well as an adjective. Consider the
        following sentence
         > "The metrics used to describe the technological development
        of a nation
         > include energy consumption per capita, GNP per capita, number
        of cars,
         > telephone, TV sets etc per capita".
         >
         > Martin
         >
         > -----Original Message-----
         > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
         > Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
         > Sent: 26 March 2008 18:17
         > To: U.S. Metric Association
         > Subject: [USMA:40676] Promoting Metrication
         >
         > Ernie,
         >
         > I applaud your efforts to promote metrication in the USA!
         >
         > However, please *do consider* Bill Potts message below.
         >
         > The word "metric" is an adjective.
         >
         > Appropriate terms for USMA objectives are "metric units" or
        "metric system"
         > or "metric system of units"; or the symbol SI for each of the
        above terms.
         >
         > The word "metrics" is a noun, unrelated to SI in particular,
        although it is
         > widely used as Bill explains below to access performance of a
        campaign or
         > process.
         >
         > Gene Mechtly.
         >
         > ---- Original message ----
         > >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:28:05 -0700
         > >From: "Bill Potts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
         > >Subject: [USMA:40674] RE: Furthering Metrics
         > >To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]>
         > >
         > > Ernie:
         > >
         > > Did you miss my recent message about the use of the
         > > term "metrics?"
         > >
         > > Basically, it said that the word "metrics" appears
         > > nowhere in official documentation on the metric
         > > system or in related standards documentation.
         > > Rather, it's a non-technical term, unrelated to the
         > > metric system, that refers, broadly, to the means by
         > > which one measures the effectiveness of something
         > > (e.g., an advertising campaign).
         > >
         > > Metric, as used in the context of the Modern Metric
         > > System (SI) is an adjective and, therefore, is never
         > > written in the plural.
         > >
         > > The goal of organizations like the US Metric
         > > Association is to further the use of the Modern
         > > Metric System (which, of course, involves the use of
         > > metric units).
         > >
         > > Please accept this as information, not as criticism.
         > >
         > > Bill Potts
         > >
         > > ------------------------------------------------
         > >
         > > Bill Potts
         > > Roseville, CA
         > > http://metric1.org [SI Navigator]
         >


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