Martin, I can't believe that it is that simple. It seems like one draws a line and everyone on one side uses metric and everyone on the other side is imperial. Don't people ever cross the line? I don't think the government, the military and business is made up of robots and the rest by real people. Real people also make up the government, the military and business. If they spend a good portion of their lives using metric in these occupations, would it stand to reason that they continue to use metric other places as well?
When you refer to the "little man" and previously "little Englanders" what type of people are you referring to? How do they differ from the people who do prefer to use metric units in their daily life? Jerry ________________________________ From: Martin Vlietstra <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2009 1:35:50 PM Subject: RE: [USMA:42769] Re: Small item seen on TV Jerry, In a nutshell, almost everything to do with big business, the military and government is in metric units. If it is to do with the “little man”, then it is in imperial units. A kind of Apartheid! ________________________________ From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeremiah MacGregor Sent: 01 February 2009 17:33 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:42769] Re: Small item seen on TV Stephen, Can you tell us then to what degree the UK is not metric? Is it more then half? If you cross the half way point, then that is significant and means the country and people are more metric then not. So it makes no sense to just leave it hang. From the emails I have read, the lingering English units has created a big mess. The only way to clean up the mess is to complete that which has been started. Don't you agree? I haven't been to the UK but I have had casual conversations with English people. None dealt with measurement topics. It is only from the emails from the people on this forum that have made statements on the topic that I draw my conclusions. Don't you agree with what they have said so far? If not, why not? Jerry ________________________________ From:Stephen Humphreys < [email protected] > To: U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2009 10:48:02 AM Subject: [USMA:42748] Re: Small item seen on TV I wouldn't class seeing imperial on (almost) every direction signs you travel across the UK as 'almost completely metric' (let alone human usage of measures). Can I safely assume you have not visited the UK or held a casual conversation with anyone from the UK ? ________________________________ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:38:48 -0800 From: [email protected] Subject: [USMA:42673] Re: Small item seen on TV To: [email protected] Bill, The UK seems quite odd that it would go almost completely metric but leave a few instances such as Pat noted. Why not just go all of the way? Jerry ________________________________ From:Bill Potts < [email protected] > To: U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 11:23:18 PM Subject: [USMA:42653] Re: Small item seen on TV Someone already answered that, but I guess you missed it. There are small metric markers on UK roads, used by those who build and maintain the roads. All UK highway design and construction is in SI metric. Bill ________________________________ Bill Potts WFP Consulting Roseville , CA http://metric1.org [SI Navigator] ________________________________ From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeremiah MacGregor Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 18:59 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:42637] Re: Small item seen on TV Didn't someone say that all the road signs in the UK were still in miles? So what markers give km figures? Do you have both miles and km side by side in the UK ? Jerry ________________________________ From:Stephen Humphreys < [email protected] > To: U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 1:03:45 PM Subject: [USMA:42544] Re: Small item seen on TV Lol - Martin got his km figures from markers on the side of the motorway! (I will let him explain) I wholly disagree that people do 'speak metric', from 40 years experience. ________________________________ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:55:13 -0800 From: [email protected] Subject: [USMA:42540] Re: Small item seen on TV To: [email protected] Mike, From your description I would understand it to be that metric is used everywhere but on road signs. But road signs must be both if Martin said he was 55.7 km from London or did he just do a conversion? So people do speak in metric and don't really need to have things dumbed down as some one put it earlier. Your comments about pilots in the US explains why the last time I flew in a plane, the pilot hesitated before saying the temperature. He must have been trying to translate it from what was on his screen. Jerry ________________________________ From:Michael Payne <[email protected]> To: U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:29:23 PM Subject: [USMA:42533] Re: Small item seen on TV I visit the UK perhaps 6-10 times a year, the people that I know in the UK tend to talk in meters/metres when referring to a new house size, etc. If you go into a UK hardware store it's almost all metric, supermarkets have gram scales, prices might be marked as pence/pound but normally pence/gram, it's weighed in grams. Fuel is sold in liters, road signs are all in miles and miles per hour but all road work is done in meters. In general it seems like a big mess which is why here in the US we need to do it differently, Australian/New Zealand and South Africa did a very good transition in the 60's and 70's. Most young people in those countries don't know non metric units. I'm a pilot, when I fly into the UK the atmospheric pressure is in hPa, the visibility is in meters, the runway length is in meters/feet. Temperature is Celsius, it's also Celsius for all pilots in the US . Call 703 661 2990 here in the US to listen to the weather pilots get at my local airport. Mike Payne ----- Original Message ----- From:Jeremiah MacGregor To:U.S. Metric Association Sent:Sunday, 25 January 2009 17:16 Subject:[USMA:42529] Re: Small item seen on TV When you say the UK is bi, do you mean they use both metric and English equally,? 50 % ? Or is there more of a leaning towards one or the other? How are both use equally without causing confusion? Say for instance in the medical field. Would a doctor speak metric and a nurse respond in English? It must make for some strange communications. Jerry ________________________________ From:Stephen Humphreys < [email protected] > To: U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:40:08 AM Subject: [USMA:42515] Re: Small item seen on TV Because the UK is not metric (it's 'bi') and in the case of tyre pressures there are not laws forcing the use of metric. ________________________________ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 08:00:18 -0800 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [USMA:42494] Re: Small item seen on TV To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Stephen, I interpreted the statement to mean that bar and kPa were the most common. It doesn't mean the is no psi, it just means it isn't very common. If the UK is metric then why would psi dominate and not kPa? Jerry ________________________________ From:Stephen Humphreys < [email protected] > To: U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:27:02 AM Subject: [USMA:42494] Re: Small item seen on TV Except in the UK (which is part of Europe ) where PSI dominates. Maybe you meant "Mainland Europe" ________________________________ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [USMA:42439] Re: Small item seen on TV Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:22:34 +0000 The most common units of measure for tyre pressures in Europe are bars or kPa. (100 kPa = 1 bar). ________________________________ From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeremiah MacGregor Sent: 24 January 2009 14:59 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:42430] Re: Small item seen on TV Harry, Aren't they suppose to be in pascals or something along that line? Jerry ________________________________ From:Harry Wyeth < [email protected] > To: U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:39:58 PM Subject: [USMA:42388] Small item seen on TV A minor point of interest: on PBS's US broadcast of the BBC World News tonight, in a piece re the resumption of natural gas to Europe, there was "footage" showing close-ups of presssure gauges on pipeline fixtures out in the snowy fields. One showed pressure in kg/cm2, and the other in "bar". HARRY WYETH ________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free Find out more! ________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more! ________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free Try it Now! ________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail just got better. Find out more!
