Paul et al:
    Absolutely metrication needs a decision from the top; however, visibility 
and use is essential to make it work.  Packaging and road signs are visible and 
used by most people and this would make people familiar with and learn metric.  
Those are two highly visible and useful applications which confront people 
daily and which would stimulate and maintain the conversion process.
    Yes, a procedure is necessary and  packaging and road signs would be an 
excellent way for people to learn metric in an every day environment.  Metric 
is already used extensively below the public surface in the US, however, most 
people don't know it or are not concerned about it.  The SI and metric needs to 
be brought into the open.
    Stan Doore
  
    
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Trusten 
  To: U.S. Metric Association 
  Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:04 AM
  Subject: [USMA:43032] true metrication is systemic


  Stan et al., this is about procedure.  Metrication is not a bottoms-up 
process; it is systemic. Victory for metrication is to be found among our 
leaders, who have to get together and set it in motion. Road signs cannot 
function as mere billboards for metrication, but rather, as the results of 
metrication.   Once the starting gun for real metrication is fired, and the 
race is on for the 10-year transition period, we shall have an ever-increasing 
number of visible and audible signs of it, as weather reports report wind 
speeds in kilometers per hour and temperatures in degrees Celsius, available 
office space is advertised in square meters on signs, and those pesky media 
style guides are revised to specify the use of metric units only, so that every 
measurement we read about is stated in SI metric units. 

  Metric "will win" when metrication starts in earnest. I think that, for those 
of us who want a metric America, real metrication will be very satisfying, 
because it will be truly ubiquitous. We will eventually get to that point where 
refrigerator magnets that happen to be thermometers will be Celsius-only 
thermometers, and when you go into a  dollar store looking for a ruler, it will 
be have millimeter scales on both edges.  With true metrication, U.S. customary 
units will go the way of the 33-1/3 RPM long-playing record. 

  Paul
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: STANLEY DOORE 
    To: U.S. Metric Association 
    Sent: 16 February, 2009 07:27
    Subject: [USMA:43031] Re: More companies primed to pounce on metric-only 
labeling


        Road signs are an integral part of changing to metric because they are 
so visible and an integral part of all our lives.  change them,  weather 
reporting and product display in grocery stores and metric will win.
        Stan Doore

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Brian J White 
      To: U.S. Metric Association 
      Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:53 PM
      Subject: [USMA:43022] Re: More companies primed to pounce on metric-only 
labeling


      You know me Paul...I wasn't disputing anything.  It just made me think.

      Did the DOT rules relax over the past few years on the speedo km/h 
requirement?  

      At 20:47 2009-02-15, Paul Trusten wrote:

        Changing road signs can only be a small part of metrication. What about 
the speedometers, odometers, driver training, federal and state traffic 
regulations, statements of the heights of tractor trailers in meters so the 
drivers will understand the meters-only clearance signs that will replaces the 
ones that now read in feet? If there are jobs to be held for metrication, they 
will be created in many areas of our lives, and each metric transition must be 
coordinated with the others. There will be jobs in signage, sure, but there 
will also be jobs in writing new regulations, jobs providing metric training, 
jobs in designing new products or changes in old products.  Once the Nation's 
leadership makes the decision to go metric, all of these things will follow, 
e.g., there would be a DOT requirement that, by a certain date, all vehicles 
made in the U.S. will display speedometers that read in kilometers per hour 
only, and odometers that accumulate kilometers only.  Metrication is all or 
nothing.  It's a life process; a living thing. 

          ----- Original Message ----- 

          From: Brian J White 

          To: U.S. Metric Association 

          Sent: 15 February, 2009 22:29

          Subject: [USMA:43020] Re: More companies primed to pounce on 
metric-only labeling


          What gets me about sign changing, is...whatever happened to the DOT 
requirement that cars must be sold with both km/h and mph on the speedo?

          Mercedes over the past 3-4 years seems to be getting away without 
it...they are mph only it looks like.


          I know GM has numbers only with a legend that switches between mph 
and km/h, but the Mercedes cars look to be mph only all the time.   Makes for a 
suck time when driving to Canada I'm sure.


          My wife's old Honda Civic (I hated that car.) had both mph and km/h 
markings, but only MPH illuminated at night.  Talk about a bozo design feature 
right there.....  I tried to talk you out of the Honda again Nat, but to no 
avail.  :)  



          At 19:36 2009-02-15, STANLEY DOORE wrote:

             

                The NIST has drafted legislation to provide for metric only 
product labeling.  If Congress would pass it and the President sign it, there 
would be a great move to go all metric.  

                If ALL people would contact their Congressional 
representatives,  then perhaps something would happen.  No single organization 
can do it alone. However, most companies want to go metric and many already 
have gone metric like the auto industry has.

                With the current stimulus bill recently passed and it's called 
a jobs bill, it would be appropriate to have all road signs changed to metric 
very quickly.

                Stan Doore

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