Thanks. You are correct. I thought my number was too low. 20 J/m it is.

John M. Steele wrote:
That would be 20 J/m.

--- On *Fri, 9/18/09, lps /<[email protected]>/* wrote:


    From: lps <[email protected]>
    Subject: [USMA:45837] Re: Fuel efficiency – joules per metre
    To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]>
    Cc: "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]>
    Date: Friday, September 18, 2009, 8:15 PM


    My bicycle expends an average of 20 kJ/km

    or

    0.02 J/m (best for comparison with cars)

    or

    (Help me here) 20 mJ/m (yes miliJoules)

    My battery is a 20 A*h 36 volt battery (LiFeO2).

    Pat Naughtin wrote:
    > On 2009/09/19, at 08:36 , lps wrote:
    >
    >> You can use J/m with electric cars too. I use the figure with
    my electric bicycle. I convert w*h/ km to J/km. You can convert
    that to J/m if desired.
    >
    > Dear Linus,
    >
    > Thanks for your email. I would like to make two points:
    >
    > 1 Could you share with us some of your data in joules per metre
    for your electric bicycle so that we can make comparisons with
    other vehicles. Where does your electric bicycle fit on this scale?
    >
    > Car    3 200 J/m
    > Boeing 747   5 440 J/m
    > School bus 13 510 J/m
    > Truck 15 440 J/m
    >
    > 2 I think that it is preferred practice in SI to have the
    denominator in a unit without a prefix and to apply any prefix to
    the numerator. In this case, kilojoule per metre (kJ/m) would be
    preferred to joules per kilometre (J/km). However, that said, I
    believe that the simplest SI unit applied with whole numbers is
    the best possible solution.
    >
    > Cheers,
    >  Pat Naughtin
    > Author of the ebook, /Metrication Leaders Guide,/ that you can
    obtain from
    http://metricationmatters.com/MetricationLeadersGuideInfo.html PO
    Box 305 Belmont 3216,
    > Geelong, Australia
    > Phone: 61 3 5241 2008
    >
    > Metric system consultant, writer, and speaker, Pat Naughtin, has
    helped thousands of people and hundreds of companies upgrade to
    the modern metric system smoothly, quickly, and so economically
    that they now save thousands each year when buying, processing, or
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    for many different trades, crafts, and professions for commercial,
    industrial and government metrication leaders in Asia, Europe, and
    in the USA. Pat's clients include the Australian Government,
    Google, NASA, NIST, and the metric associations of Canada, the UK,
    and the USA. See http://www.metricationmatters.com
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    information, contact Pat at [email protected]
    
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    >
    >> Pat Naughtin wrote:
    >>> Dear All,
    >>>
    >>> I have just read the article at
    http://www.metrication.us/content/demise-mpg where I was struck by
    the first paragraph.
    >>>
    >>> /Even before the advent of partially- or fully-electric cars,
    it was becoming increasingly apparent that the old fuel economy
    metric of miles per gallon isn't as useful for measuring energy
    consumption in vehicles as when it was first codified in the
    original Corporate Average Fuel Economy standard in the 1970s.
    That is due in part to the proliferation of new fuels--E85, LPG,
    LNG, CNG, methanol, and hydrogen--but also because expressing the
    relationship between distance and volume in this way obscured the
    diminishing returns to higher levels of fuel economy. As a Wall
    St. Journal column earlier this week put it, adding electricity
    into the mpg mix, "risks giving consumers inaccurate information
    about the financial and environmental costs of driving." But if we
    need a new metric, what should it measure?/
    >>>
    >>> I think that the time is rapidly approaching for energy to be
    measured in the only SI energy unit – joule – and that old
    pre-metric measuring words for fuel efficiency should be converted
    to the only SI unit available for energy efficiency for road
    transport – joules per metre.
    >>>
    >>> As a starting reference, here are some examples:
    >>>
    >>> *Average car*
    >>> 32 megajoules per litre (32 MJ/L) for lead free car fuel, and
    >>> 10 litres per 100 kilometres (10 L/100 km) fuel consumption, then
    >>> an average car consumes 3 200 joules of energy for each metre
    it travels (3 200 J/m).
    >>>
    >>> *Average truck*
    >>> 38.6 megajoules per litre (38.6 MJ/L) for diesel fuel, and
    >>> 40 litres per 100 kilometres (40 L/100 km) fuel consumption, then
    >>> an average truck consumes 15 440 joules of energy for each
    metre it travels (15 440 J/m).
    >>>
    >>> *Average (school) bus*
    >>> 38.6 megajoules per litre (38.6 MJ/L) for diesel fuel, and
    >>> 35 litres per 100 kilometres (35 L/100 km) fuel consumption, then
    >>> an average truck consumes 13 510 joules of energy for each
    metre it travels (13 510 J/m).
    >>>
    >>> *Average Boeing 747*
    >>> 34 megajoules per litre (34 MJ/L) for diesel fuel, and
    >>> 16 litres per 100 kilometres (16 L/100 km) fuel consumption, then
    >>> an average truck consumes 5 440 joules of energy for each
    metre it travels (5 440 J/m).
    >>>
    >>> *Summary*
    >>> Car    3 200 J/m
    >>> Boeing 747   5 440 J/m
    >>> School bus 13 510 J/m
    >>> Truck 15 440 J/m
    >>>
    >>> As usual, I commend to you the simplicity of SI units and the
    ease of understanding using whole numbers (see
    http://www.metricationmatters.com/docs/WholeNumberRule.pdf ).
    >>>
    >>> Sadly, I could not find comparative figures for electric cars
    – even at
    http://www.optimalenergy.co.za/news/article.php?pk_news_id=112v
    >>> Cheers,
    >>> Pat Naughtin
    >>> Author of the ebook, /Metrication Leaders Guide,/ that you can
    obtain from
    http://metricationmatters.com/MetricationLeadersGuideInfo.html PO
    Box 305 Belmont 3216,
    >>> Geelong, Australia
    >>> Phone: 61 3 5241 2008
    >>>
    >>> Metric system consultant, writer, and speaker, Pat Naughtin,
    has helped thousands of people and hundreds of companies upgrade
    to the modern metric system smoothly, quickly, and so economically
    that they now save thousands each year when buying, processing, or
    selling for their businesses. Pat provides services and resources
    for many different trades, crafts, and professions for commercial,
    industrial and government metrication leaders in Asia, Europe, and
    in the USA. Pat's clients include the Australian Government,
    Google, NASA, NIST, and the metric associations of Canada, the UK,
    and the USA. See http://www.metricationmatters.com
<http://www.metricationmatters.com/> <http://www.metricationmatters.com/>for more metrication
    information, contact Pat at [email protected]
    
<http://us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
    <mailto:[email protected]
    
<http://us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>
    or to get the free '/Metrication matters/' newsletter go to:
    http://www.metricationmatters.com/newsletter to subscribe.
    >>>
    >>
    >


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