I think that could be made to work too.  I would suggest that a garden could be 
laid out on 100 mm grid, with no or very few dimensions finer than that.  There 
are very few plant spacing recommendations that could not be rounded to 
multiples of 100 mm.
(If only I could get my weeds to grow "on grid.")

I think I might express that grid as 0.1 m, as 100 mm will surely cause him to 
break rank and subdivide the space, he is less likely to introduce a second 
decimal digit.  For the planting crew, I would paint 100 mm lines on the 
handles 
of their trowels and shovels.  If any intermediate distance is required, it can 
be estimated.

Gardening is not high precision work.  In the end, it is about digging a hole 
and shoving a plant in it.  The trick is to arrange the holes artfully.




________________________________
From: Martin Vlietstra <[email protected]>
To: John M. Steele <[email protected]>; U.S. Metric Association 
<[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 7:46:22 AM
Subject: RE: [USMA:50610] Re: Not the way to metricate


I would give a look-up table with metric units in whole numbers with the 
imperial/customary equivalents alongside and tell him that I want all designs 
in 
metric units. Decide on how units are to be represented (metres, centimeters or 
millimetres) and instruct the designer accordingly.  All dimensions are to be 
to 
the nearest 10 mm, except for dimensions below 100 mm, when they shall be to 
the 
nearest millimetre.  Advise him to work entirely in metric and only to convert 
back to imperial/customary for purposes of his own sanity-checks.
 

________________________________

From:John M. Steele [mailto: [email protected] ] 
Sent: 13 June 2011 12:35
To: [email protected]; U.S. Metric Association
Subject: Re: [USMA:50610] Re: Not the way to metricate
 
I agree.  Metric-only tapes are hard to find in hardware stores in the US , but 
they can be ordered online.
 
Please review the original article.  The "gardener" in question is only 
experienced in inches and has to submit a metric drawing for approval to an 
Expo 
in South Korea .  If the drawing is approved, then that metric garden will be 
built for a show in 2013.  

 
How would you quickly teach him to use his existing experience but produce a 
design in metric?  Deadlines await.
 
There are actually several gardeners on the team.  I rejected their plan of 
letting all but one design in feet, and that one converting everything.  That 
would obviously produce a design with plants spaced on multiples of 304.8 mm, 
or, even worse, 30.48 cm.
 
If no one likes my dual tape "crutch," I am asking how YOU would teach 
experienced designers with no exposure to metric to design (produce a garden 
layout and bill of materials) in metric?
 

________________________________

From:Martin Vlietstra <[email protected]>
To: U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 7:06:44 AM
Subject: [USMA:50610] Re: Not the way to metricate
The problem is that hardware shops do not want to stock two items where one 
will 
do.  If the gardener in question is taking orders from a member of the general 
public, what you say is fine, but if the owner of the business decides to do 
all 
work entirely in metric units, then using metric-only measuring devices is in 
order.  The real problem arises when government initiates a metrication program 
and then refused to take the lead.  
 

________________________________

From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
John M. Steele
Sent: 13 June 2011 11:38
To: U.S. Metric Association
Subject: [USMA:50609] Re: Not the way to metricate
 
I am NOT advocating dual tapes for general purposes.  I am advocating it for 
one 
specific purpose.  To help a garden design experienced in inches design in 
metric without teaching him a bunch of conversion math.  I'm open to alternate 
approaches, but exactly how would you do it.
 
He only knows plant spacings, sizes, etc in inches and has to produce a metric 
drawing.
 

________________________________

From:Martin Vlietstra <[email protected]>
To: U.S. Metric Association <[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 3:07:30 AM
Subject: [USMA:50604] Re: Not the way to metricate
I find a dual tape a pain up the ****.  Even though I inherited half a dozen 
tapes from my father-in-law (he measured up windows for the double glazing 
business), I still bought a single unit tape when I was last in Belgium to 
replace my old one which gave up the ghost. 

 

________________________________

From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Pat 
Naughtin
Sent: 13 June 2011 04:49
To: U.S. Metric Association
Cc: U.S. Metric Association
Subject: [USMA:50599] Re: Not the way to metricate
 
On 2011/05/31, at 21:37 , John M. Steele wrote:
 
I know Pat will disagree, but a dual tape is a good way to identify a round 
metric number around an inch dimension you have in mind.  It is not a bad 
crutch 
for a a couple of jobs, but it should then be replaced with a metric-only 
tape.  
It can be used to get across the point of sensible rounding very well.
 
Dear John,
 
You are wrong. I agree with you when you say:
 
a dual tape is a good way to identify a round metric number around an inch 
dimension you have in mind.
 
It is a good approach if you want to retain the use of old pre-metric measuring 
words for as long as you possibly can. Friends who spent some $30.00 on a high 
quality dual sided measuring tape in the 1970s still have them and they can't 
see why they should buy a millimetre only tape now.
 
However in agreeing, I also note that you have chosen to use metric conversion 
as part of your approach to metrication. With this approach I totally disagree 
if complete metrication is your aim and a FAST metrication upgrade is one of 
your requirements . 
See http://metricationmatters.com/docs/ApproachesToMetrication.pdf 
and http://metricationmatters.com/docs/MetricationInADay.pdf 
 
Cheers,
 
Pat Naughtin LCAMS
Author of the ebook, Metrication Leaders Guide, see 
http://metricationmatters.com/MetricationLeadersGuideInfo.html
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