Last night when I check the total stood at 149, when it went to 150 it became 
visible on the White House web site, an hour later when I checked it was past 
250, over a hundred people signed this in the first hour it was visible, now 
it's past 400 in less than 12 hours. I think there are a lot of people out 
there who support metric! It will be interesting to see where it goes compared 
to other petitions.

http://wh.gov/gw1

Mike

On 27/09/2011, at 21:00 , Kilopascal wrote:

> Mike,
>  
> What we need is a national spokesman for the metric system.  Someone with 
> charisma, intelligence and who is able to articulate well.  Someone who can 
> get the point across that without the metric system, America has no future.
>  
> The problem with the media is they think it doesn't matter if we go metric or 
> not.  Metric doesn't really directly affect them.  Whether they say yards or 
> metres makes no difference to them.  Not only won't they get enthused about 
> metric, they will fight it.
>  
> What the media can't comprehend is that the survival of their industry 
> depends on the rest of us.  If we don't have good paying metric industrial 
> jobs because they all fled to metric countries,  then things like newspapers 
> and magazines become luxuries.  They are the first to be cut out when money 
> gets tight.  Even in these bad economic times, the newspaper and magazine 
> industries are suffering from reduced readership.  If only they could connect 
> the dots, we might not have worry about the media being an enemy of 
> metrication.
>  
> I don't watch 60 min so I don't know much about them.  But discussing the 
> pros and cons sounds like a debate.  In my view there is no need for a 
> debate.  The time for debating was 40 years ago.  A debate will only create 
> more delays and is nothing more than an excuse to waste time.
>  
> I personally think it is too late.  The damage is done and can't be repaired. 
>  It is nice to hope that things can be better in the US, but maybe in the 
> long term it is better this way.  Now others have the opportunities Americans 
> have lost and gave away.  It is the curse of democracy that is preventing us 
> from moving forward.
>  
>  
> I do not say that democracy has been more pernicious on the whole, and in the 
> long run, than monarchy or aristocracy. Democracy has never been and never 
> can be so durable as aristocracy or monarchy; but while it lasts, it is more 
> bloody than either. … Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, 
> exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not 
> commit suicide. It is in vain to say that democracy is less vain, less proud, 
> less selfish, less ambitious, or less avaricious than aristocracy or 
> monarchy. It is not true, in fact, and nowhere appears in history. Those 
> passions are the same in all men, under all forms of simple government, and 
> when unchecked, produce the same effects of fraud, violence, and cruelty. 
> When clear prospects are opened before vanity, pride, avarice, or ambition, 
> for their easy gratification, it is hard for the most considerate 
> philosophers and the most conscientious moralists to resist the temptation. 
> Individuals have conquered themselves. Nations and large bodies of men, never.
> John Adams, letter to John Taylor (15 April 1814)
>  
> [USMA:51170] Re: White House Petition
> 
> Michael Payne
> Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:34:07 -0700
> 
> We need to get the fact out in the news media that the US loses business 
> because it's not metric. A program like 60 minutes would be great if they 
> could 
> look at some of the pros and cons of being metric as a country.
> 
> Mike
> On 26/09/2011, at 21:07 , Kilopascal wrote:
> 
> > Mike,
> >  
> > I'm afraid that if the news media gets a hold of it they will tear it to 
> > shreds like they did in the past.  In general the news media does 
> > everything 
> > it can to mock the metric system and dissuade people from using it.  Their 
> > own style book opposes it and even deliberately messes up the proper 
> > spellings and symbol format.  The media is not a friend of SI. 
> >  
> > A national discussion can also back fire as the forces of ignorance and 
> > fear 
> > come out from hiding and do everything in their power to oppose any new 
> > effort to metricate.  I'm convinced and I'm sure many movers and shakers in 
> > industry are too, that the American people would rather be destitute and 
> > poor 
> > than have to speak metric words.   
> >  
> > The media has lead Americans to believe that the "Arab Spring" was a call 
> > to 
> > American democracy in the region, but in reality it was meant to remove any 
> > and all "pro-western" and pro-Israeli" leaders from power and instill 
> > sharia 
> > law.  The media gets it wrong every time.  
> >  
> > I'm just happy that the metric system is the standard in all progressive 
> > and 
> > growing countries.  If the American people haven't figured out by now the 
> > importance of the metric system in the commerce of the modern world, I 
> > doubt 
> > they ever will.
> >  
> > We can hope for the best, but we also have to be realistic.  There are 
> > reasons countries like China, Germany, south-east Asia, etc are booming and 
> > the US isn't. 
> >  
> > [USMA:51155] Re: White House Petition
> > Michael Payne
> > Mon, 26 Sep 2011 07:45:03 -0700
> > 
> > My main aim with this petition is to get it out in front of the public, if 
> > the 
> > news media get hold of it things will really take off, if it generates a 
> > national discussion on the value of exports we lose it will help. But we 
> > need 
> > to get the facts out to the general public and hope the news media picks up 
> > on 
> > it.
> > 
> > I agree the Obama administration will have their hands tied even trying to 
> > enforce present law, I can hear the comments "this is a job killer law", 
> > when 
> > I 
> > and probably many of you think the opposite.
> > 
> > For this alone, I hope all of you who think it might not work, sign it 
> > anyway. 
> > One person can make a difference as we saw in Tunisia last year, one person 
> > immolating themselves ignited the "Arab Spring", we just need the Spark.
> > 
> > Mike Payne
> 

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