I believe (and in saying this, I have to declare that I am a construction economist) that economics is the key. There is no doubt in my mind that working in the metric system is more cost-effective than using other measurement units. As an example, back in the 1980s, when I was the retained quantity surveyor on the Toronto General Hospital, we decided to re-measure the entire hospital, and digitize all drawings. Working with the architects, and based on the fact that most of the old drawings were in imperial, the decision had to be made - do we do it in metric or imperial? The architects said that doing it in imperial would cost 15% more. We did it in metric.

I have no idea on the economic infrastructure of Hawaii (i.e. what constitutes its economic base), but if this could be shown to be more cost-effective doing it in metric, then this is the way forward. In this regard, I would be more than willing to assist (especially if it means I have an excuse to visit a place I have not been to!).

John F-L


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I think Hawaii COULD make sense if they were serious about full metrication and our conference were to serve as educational sessions to stakeholders/ policy makers about the different implications/ approaches/ current firm and school practices everything related to SI usage. Although based on my research, no one seems to have current data on any of these topics. Honestly, I am not sure about the quality or even quantity of sessions we could provide.

Does anyone have ideas about content they could provide?

I could talk some about current classroom practices (which vary so much) and more about the intent of the new standards in Mathematics and what I believe shall become part of the new standards in Science.

NIST and USMA are considered the US experts in metrication, yet I feel like WE are a data poor group. How is it that someone can figure out how many birds and small mammals, Cats are killing in the US but we can not figure out how many people (in this country) are working in the modern metric system.

I'm not trying to be negative; I know this is a volunteer organization. I am just concerned that we shall get our wish, and Hawaii will contact us and say, "we are serious" give us the current data and give us a plan. What would we do?

Bridget

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On Jan 30, 2013, at 9:47 AM, Scott Hudnall <[email protected]> wrote:

In all practicality, I have a corporate Webex account. I can host online video-conferences, if there is sufficient interest in attending. It is more cost-effective than flying all the way to Hawaii, but no sandy beaches.

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Scott Hudnall

On Jan 30, 2013, at 6:58, "[email protected] " <[email protected]> wrote:

I'm all for it, as long as there is a grant for unemployed people to travel to Hawaii fro a conference....


Bruce E. Arkwright, Jr
Erie PA
Linux and Metric User and Enforcer


I will only invest in nukes that are 150 gigameters away. How much solar energy have you collected today? Id put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we dont have to wait til oil and coal run out before we tackle that. I wish I had a few more years left. -- Thomas Edison♽☯♑


Jan 30, 2013 05:58:55 AM, [email protected] wrote:
It is also mid-winter in Hawaii, only just not as cold as say New York or Chicago! J

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected]
Sent: 29 January 2013 23:57
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Subject: [USMA:52282] RE: FW: Fwd: The Metric System, the United States of America, and Scientific Literacy | Sci-Ed

Of course! A meeting in Hawaii while it 's the dead of winter on the mainland!

(Now why didn  't I think of that.     ;-)

Ezra
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100% open to that idea. We could share ideas and coordinate efforts to promote metric usage. A meeting sounds like a great idea.

From: JohnAltounji [email protected]>;
To: U.S. Metric Association [email protected]>;
Subject: [USMA:52279] FW: Fwd: The Metric System, the United States of America, and Scientific Literacy | Sci-Ed
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The more similar work, the better. I thinks, we should have cross links between all the web pages and blogs, etc…
What about meeting each other (metric people), conference style?

Special thanks to the pioneers at USMA.

John Altounji
One size does not fit all.
Social promotion ruined Education.

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 8:45 PM
To: U.S. Metric Association
Subject: [USMA:52278] Fwd: The Metric System, the United States of America, and Scientific Literacy | Sci-Ed

Hi everyone. My name is Linda Anderman and the metric documentary referenced in the second to the last paragraph of the blog is the one I 'm working on.

I will have very big news on the project in the next couple of weeks.

I 've been waiting for the right time to introduce myself and this seemed like as good a time as any.

I  'll have more news very soon. Promise.
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Subject: [USMA:52277] The Metric System, the United States of America, and Scientific Literacy | Sci-Ed

Very timely and the writer works at the Smithsonian! Great comics

http://blogs.plos.org/scied/2013/01/28/the-metric-system-united-states-of-america-and-scientific-literacy/


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