A sixth of a gill per "shot", right? That's what it was in Scotland in
the early '70s.
Jim
On 10/30/2019 03:48, Stephen Humphreys wrote:
Hi John
Imperial hasn’t been abandoned in the Uk. A casual conversation with a
Brit will confirm this.
You are correct about the Caribbean though plus UK overseas territories
and protectorates. On the Isle of Man they still serve shots in gills,
for example
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On 29 Oct 2019, at 10:04 pm, John Steele <[email protected]>
wrote:
Sorry, Tom, but I have to disagree.
Customary is NOT Imperial, there are several differences. Although
the UK has largely abandoned Imperial, we have Caribbean trading
partners who have not. Being clear on whether it is Customary or
Imperial measure is important in that trade. I wish it could all
disappear and be replaced by SI, but giving it a silly name that
confuses trading partners won't help. I have no problem reminding
people that Customary is really left-over, abandoned British units
from before the Revolutionary War, but the name we have given to the
units we kept from that mess is Customary. Our gallon and bushel were
defined by British Parliament circa 1700 and in no way represent
"freedom units."
In the metric side, I participate in some forums where people are very
confused by and asking questions about what are the differences
between metric, MKS, MKSA, CGS, etc. They are all obsolete. The SI, as
defined by the current edition of the SI Brochure, is the MODERN
metric system; "there can be only one." Introducing confusing terms
leads to confusion, not clarity, not change. (and International might
be better than French metric system, especially if we point out that
the US was an original signatory of the 1875 Treaty of the Meter, and
a participating and voting member of the BIPM and its governing
committees.)
Since NIST (under the Secretary of Commerce) is responsible for
interpreting both Customary and SI systems of weights and measures for
the US, I believe I am more helpful to Americans with questions by
using language consistent with NIST.
On Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 4:35:35 PM EDT, Tom Wade
<[email protected]> wrote:
It's important not to call it "US <anything>". Doing so only helps
those who want to pitch the shambolic mix you have at the moment as
"American" as opposed to the "foreign" system you are advocating.
That allows those who oppose metrication to wrap themselves in the
flag of patriotism. Call it "British Colonial Measure" (to
distinguish it from the British Imperial system, that was a reform of
1824). That more accurately describes how and when it was imposed,
and that it should have been discarded long ago, along with monarchy,
pounds-shillings-pence and titles.
Same reason to refer to "metric" rather than SI ("International" is
the kiss of death here, despite its more modern accurate meaning).
The problem is there is a significant number of people that would
prefer *anything* that is seen to be American, as opposed to foreign.
You have to be able to counter emotional as well as rational opposition.
One of the small pieces of fortune we had with metrication in Ireland,
was that it was so hard for anyone to be openly in favor of something
called the British Imperial System. ;-)
Tom Wade
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On 2019-10-29 12:26, Ressel, Howard R (DOT) wrote:
I never say US Standard, always US Customary sort of says its common
usage but not the standard.
Howard
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Ya know, even if the supplementary WOMBAT labeling is added to the
wine bottles, isn’t it possible that the consumers will be much too
drunk to care?
I am going to claim my seat as a party pooper on this “issue.” For too
long now, I have wasted my time going after minor problems such as
this, when the U.S. as a whole is suffering from a much, much greater
stagnation regarding a standard of measurement. We even have people
who support U.S. metrication who can’t stop using the phrase “U.S.
standard!” I call feet, pounds, etc. “legacy units,” lending them no
more dignity than a cubit or a league. There is only ONE true standard
of measurement. It is the SI.
Let’s say the dual labels get put on the booze bottles. Have ‘y’all
been looking at grocery store shelf tags lately? A few years ago,
despite the round metric sizes of the beverage products, the sizes and
their unit pricing are evaluated On those tags in terms of the fluid
ounce. Despite the broad range of metric sizes for soft drinks (500
mL, 1 L, 1.25 L, 2 L, and 3 L), product metrication gets compromised
in comparison shopping. And, more important, in the absence of
comprehensive metric education, much of the U.S. public isn’t able to
appreciate the fact that a milliliter of soda pop is the same volume
as a milliliter of medicine that they are dosing their children with,
since the “Drug Facts” labeling is all metric now.
Just sayin’.
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