Yep - It’s a fraction of a gill. Otherwise it would be pretty hardcore!
> On 30 Oct 2019, at 6:34 pm, Martin Vlietstra <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > I find it hard to believe that shots are served in the Isle of Man (or > anywhere else for that matter) by the gill (142.1 mL). Maybe you means by the > fifth (28.4 mL) or sixth (23.7 mL) of a gill until the advent of metrication. > > The advantage of using a 25 mL size for shots is that it is easy to calculate > one’s alcohol intake. For example, a good quality whisky is typically 40% > alcohol (by volume). (It is mandatory to express alcohol content in this way > in the UK). The alcohol content of each shot of whisky is 40% of 25 mL which > equals 10 mL. In the UK, one “unit” of alcohol is defined as being 10 mL of > pure alcohol, so your shot contains one unit of alcohol. > > Martin > > From: USMA [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Stephen Humphreys > Sent: 30 October 2019 08:49 > To: John Steele > Cc: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: [USMA 1239] Re: labeling > > > Hi John > > Imperial hasn’t been abandoned in the Uk. A casual conversation with a Brit > will confirm this. > > You are correct about the Caribbean though plus UK overseas territories and > protectorates. On the Isle of Man they still serve shots in gills, for example > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 29 Oct 2019, at 10:04 pm, John Steele <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> >> Sorry, Tom, but I have to disagree. >> >> Customary is NOT Imperial, there are several differences. Although the UK >> has largely abandoned Imperial, we have Caribbean trading partners who have >> not. Being clear on whether it is Customary or Imperial measure is >> important in that trade. I wish it could all disappear and be replaced by >> SI, but giving it a silly name that confuses trading partners won't help. I >> have no problem reminding people that Customary is really left-over, >> abandoned British units from before the Revolutionary War, but the name we >> have given to the units we kept from that mess is Customary. Our gallon and >> bushel were defined by British Parliament circa 1700 and in no way represent >> "freedom units." >> >> In the metric side, I participate in some forums where people are very >> confused by and asking questions about what are the differences between >> metric, MKS, MKSA, CGS, etc. They are all obsolete. The SI, as defined by >> the current edition of the SI Brochure, is the MODERN metric system; "there >> can be only one." Introducing confusing terms leads to confusion, not >> clarity, not change. (and International might be better than French metric >> system, especially if we point out that the US was an original signatory of >> the 1875 Treaty of the Meter, and a participating and voting member of the >> BIPM and its governing committees.) >> >> Since NIST (under the Secretary of Commerce) is responsible for interpreting >> both Customary and SI systems of weights and measures for the US, I believe >> I am more helpful to Americans with questions by using language consistent >> with NIST. >> >> On Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 4:35:35 PM EDT, Tom Wade <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> It's important not to call it "US <anything>". Doing so only helps those >> who want to pitch the shambolic mix you have at the moment as "American" as >> opposed to the "foreign" system you are advocating. That allows those who >> oppose metrication to wrap themselves in the flag of patriotism. Call it >> "British Colonial Measure" (to distinguish it from the British Imperial >> system, that was a reform of 1824). That more accurately describes how and >> when it was imposed, and that it should have been discarded long ago, >> along with monarchy, pounds-shillings-pence and titles. >> >> Same reason to refer to "metric" rather than SI ("International" is the kiss >> of death here, despite its more modern accurate meaning). >> >> The problem is there is a significant number of people that would prefer >> *anything* that is seen to be American, as opposed to foreign. You have to >> be able to counter emotional as well as rational opposition. >> >> One of the small pieces of fortune we had with metrication in Ireland, was >> that it was so hard for anyone to be openly in favor of something called the >> British Imperial System. ;-) >> >> Tom Wade >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> On 2019-10-29 12:26, Ressel, Howard R (DOT) wrote: >> I never say US Standard, always US Customary sort of says its common usage >> but not the standard. >> >> >> >> Howard >> >> >> >> From: USMA <[email protected]> >> <mailto:[email protected]> On Behalf Of Paul Trusten >> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 5:21 PM >> To: USMA List Server <[email protected]> >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: [USMA 1233] labeling >> >> >> >> ATTENTION: This email came from an external source. Do not open attachments >> or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails. >> >> Ya know, even if the supplementary WOMBAT labeling is added to the wine >> bottles, isn’t it possible that the consumers will be much too drunk to care? >> >> I am going to claim my seat as a party pooper on this “issue.” For too long >> now, I have wasted my time going after minor problems such as this, when the >> U.S. as a whole is suffering from a much, much greater stagnation regarding >> a standard of measurement. We even have people who support U.S. metrication >> who can’t stop using the phrase “U.S. standard!” I call feet, pounds, etc. >> “legacy units,” lending them no more dignity than a cubit or a league. There >> is only ONE true standard of measurement. It is the SI. >> >> Let’s say the dual labels get put on the booze bottles. Have ‘y’all been >> looking at grocery store shelf tags lately? A few years ago, despite the >> round metric sizes of the beverage products, the sizes and their unit >> pricing are evaluated On those tags in terms of the fluid ounce. Despite the >> broad range of metric sizes for soft drinks (500 mL, 1 L, 1.25 L, 2 L, and >> 3 L), product metrication gets compromised in comparison shopping. And, >> more important, in the absence of comprehensive metric education, much of >> the U.S. public isn’t able to appreciate the fact that a milliliter of soda >> pop is the same volume as a milliliter of medicine that they are dosing >> their children with, since the “Drug Facts” labeling is all metric now. >> >> Just sayin’. >> >> PAUL T. >> >> <image001.jpg> >> >> >> >> >> >> Paul Trusten >> Midland, Texas >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> >> >> Paul Trusten >> Midland, Texas >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> _______________________________________________ >> USMA mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://lists.colostate.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/usma >> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.colostate.edu%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fusma&data=02%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7Ccbef4c41f6dd464fcd3708d75d850f04%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637080698371198267&sdata=PPz9YSnj%2F1eG1Sqp%2Bjygawm1jK4DnpmqktBrXa0547E%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> USMA mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://lists.colostate.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/usma >> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.colostate.edu%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fusma&data=02%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7Ccbef4c41f6dd464fcd3708d75d850f04%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637080698371198267&sdata=PPz9YSnj%2F1eG1Sqp%2Bjygawm1jK4DnpmqktBrXa0547E%3D&reserved=0> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> USMA mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://lists.colostate.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/usma >> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.colostate.edu%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fusma&data=02%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7Ccbef4c41f6dd464fcd3708d75d850f04%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637080698371198267&sdata=PPz9YSnj%2F1eG1Sqp%2Bjygawm1jK4DnpmqktBrXa0547E%3D&reserved=0> >> <image001.jpg> >> _______________________________________________ >> USMA mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.colostate.edu%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fusma&data=02%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7Ccbef4c41f6dd464fcd3708d75d850f04%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637080698371198267&sdata=PPz9YSnj%2F1eG1Sqp%2Bjygawm1jK4DnpmqktBrXa0547E%3D&reserved=0 >> >> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.colostate.edu%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fusma&data=02%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7Ccbef4c41f6dd464fcd3708d75d850f04%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637080698371198267&sdata=PPz9YSnj%2F1eG1Sqp%2Bjygawm1jK4DnpmqktBrXa0547E%3D&reserved=0>
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