TBH - on the machines I remember the number to put the pin into as a reference. But I’m not a pro. With free weights there’s a colour coding. I dont deliberately avoid the kg figure or anything daft like that but I just tend to remember colours and where to put that pin for each. The gym scales are ’Salter’. I’m not going to look for ‘Class’ as it’s the least important part of visiting a gym (for me).
re- hospitals etc I have Ulcerative colitis. I wouldn’t wish that upon anyone. Anyway …. when I visit the gastro doc at the general hospital they always weight me on each visit and the scale is a digital one that shows kg and the figure is recorded as such. At the GPs - I’ve noticed they have those dual scale types. I dont really need to know the weight they record in all honesty. My home scales are digital and show st lb to a scale of 0.5 lbs. The machine calculates BMI via electric footpads which - I believe - calculates the BMI from resistance from one foot to another (water I believe, in conjunction with weight). It then tells me my BMI which i promptly ignore ! :-) The best method of BMI - in my view - is how much you can pinch in your midriff … > On 24 May 2020, at 11:00 pm, Martin Vlietstra <[email protected]> > wrote: > > A suggestion – make a comment about the weight that somebody is pushing as > being a fraction of their body weight. > > As regards the scales in the gym, check to see whether they have a “Class > III” or a “Class IV” marking on them. If not, then they are not regularly > calibrated. Also, if you have need to visit the doctor, check the scales in > the surgery. The ones in waiting area of the surgery were dual unit, but I > suspect that they are now kg-only because in 2008 LARCOS published a damming > document about the types of weighing scales used public medicine in the UK. > In 2010, and NHS edict was issued (in conjunction with the Welsh, Scottish > and NI equivalent bodies) requiring that kg-only weighing device be used to > monitor patient’s weights. The reports can be found at: > LARCOS - > https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwebarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk%2F20090908164627%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.lacors.gov.uk%2Flacors%2FPressReleaseDetails.aspx%3Fid%3D20486&data=02%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7Cc51a25aad0b64f7f118408d8002fbe1f%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C1%7C637259552346126977&sdata=C%2FDNRfpL7Rvzfa4awUrLjr7iuHReRQ3i5M%2FiiX5uGdE%3D&reserved=0 > > <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwebarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk%2F20090908164627%2Fhttp%3A%2Fwww.lacors.gov.uk%2Flacors%2FPressReleaseDetails.aspx%3Fid%3D20486&data=02%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7Cc51a25aad0b64f7f118408d8002fbe1f%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C1%7C637259552346126977&sdata=wAYbgjodGcKOAYlQjQH3uhL3Y2RwQlqxwhePzX4oduY%3D&reserved=0> > NHS - > https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.health-ni.gov.uk%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fpublications%2Fhealth%2FEFA-2010-001.pdf&data=02%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7Cc51a25aad0b64f7f118408d8002fbe1f%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C1%7C637259552346126977&sdata=UCr42UzsBIFsHBjfdC13fD%2FQWqu4wElGqZZ3Rm6tLZs%3D&reserved=0 > > <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.health-ni.gov.uk%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fpublications%2Fhealth%2FEFA-2010-001.pdf&data=02%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7Cc51a25aad0b64f7f118408d8002fbe1f%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C1%7C637259552346126977&sdata=UCr42UzsBIFsHBjfdC13fD%2FQWqu4wElGqZZ3Rm6tLZs%3D&reserved=0> > > From: Stephen Humphreys [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 24 May 2020 22:23 > To: Martin Vlietstra > Cc: Paul Trusten; Metric List Postings > Subject: Re: [USMA 1415] Re: Ancestry survey > > I cant see the gym opening anytime soon TBF - and asking strangers their > weight might appear a bit - erm - creepy. Especially the females. > > The scales in the gym have stones around the outside and kg in the inner > circle - much like an old style UK speedo that used to shown km/h in smaller > print within the scale (they only show MPH these days). > > > > > On 24 May 2020, at 9:27 pm, Martin Vlietstra <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Why don’t you ask around at the gym – do it in a roundabout way so that they > do not know that you are actually doing a survey. You will probably be > surprised how many people use metric units. Pay particular attention to any > South Africans and Aussies who you might know – stones were never used in > South Africa (at least not when I lived there until 1978 bu which time they > had adopted metric units). > > From: Stephen Humphreys [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] > Sent: 23 May 2020 22:44 > To: Martin Vlietstra > Cc: Paul Trusten; Metric List Postings > Subject: Re: [USMA 1415] Re: Ancestry survey > > The weights are mainly in kg. Not sure why that has relevance to personal > weight. > > I use stones because I dont know of anyone who doesn’t - check the slimming > schemes, adverts, programmes etc > > > > > > On 23 May 2020, at 9:50 pm, Martin Vlietstra <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > When I used a gym, the various weights that one could pick up were all > measured in kilograms. Is your gym the same? If so, why do you use stones for > personal weight? > > When my son, who is an army officer, does any training, his criteria (taken > from army textbooks) is to calculate the weight carried in a backpack as a > percentage of your own body weight. When he was training from home, he used > two litre bottles of water as ballast – two litres of water is two kilograms > (plus the weight of the plastic). I have no idea how many stones such a > bottle is. > > From: Stephen Humphreys [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] > Sent: 23 May 2020 21:36 > To: Martin Vlietstra > Cc: Paul Trusten; Metric List Postings > Subject: Re: [USMA 1415] Re: Ancestry survey > > TBF I can’t remember the last time I checked my BMI - Being a regular gym > goer I’m hoping to gain ’the right weight’ which skews the BMI stuff > > > > > On 23 May 2020, at 9:29 pm, Martin Vlietstra <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > … but it is still a pain working out your BMI using imperial units unless you > have an ap. It is a bit simpler using customary units (pounds only, not > stones and pounds) and simplest of all using metric units. Compare trying to > work out the BMI of somebody who is 17.5 stone, height 5’9” rather than > somebody who weighs 110 kg and is 175 cm tall. Both should give the same > answer of 36 km/m^2 (though the units are usually omitted).. > > From: Stephen Humphreys [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] > Sent: 23 May 2020 18:42 > To: Martin Vlietstra > Cc: Paul Trusten; Metric List Postings > Subject: Re: [USMA 1415] Re: Ancestry survey > > For purposes of the conversation I just said ‘a little over a stone’ in > answer to his question. It was only a brief interlude before the proper > business stuff. > > My main point was that thanks to a pandemic virus, people are getting > healthier. Strange times. > > > > > > > On 23 May 2020, at 3:12 pm, Martin Vlietstra <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > So how would you normally have spoken of 16 pounds – “One stone, two” or “One > and an eighth stone” or “A little over a stone”? > > From: Stephen Humphreys [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] > Sent: 22 May 2020 21:39 > To: Martin Vlietstra > Cc: Paul Trusten; Metric List Postings > Subject: Re: [USMA 1415] Re: Ancestry survey > > It’s not older members of the public Martin. > > Also at private hospitals and NHS ones I’ve always noticed guides on walls > behind weighing scales. > > Re ‘Older’ - In a zoom meeting at work we discussed health regarding this > virus. > The audience was Brits and Americans > I mentioned that I had lost 16 lbs since the lockdown (due to 3 hours > exercise per day). I used pounds due to the type of audience. > > The youngest person (late 20’s) made a comment you might find funny. > He said - Whats 16 pounds? I dont use the new stuff I still use stones. I had > to say ‘just over a stone’ :-) > > > > > > > > > > > On 22 May 2020, at 6:14 pm, Martin Vlietstra <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > A number of years ago I read of a death in the United Kingdom that resulted > from misuse of imperial units. Unfortunately I no longer have the details, > but as far as I can remember, the baby concerned had an underlying condition. > Two different midwives checked and weighed the baby at the post-natal clinic > – one used metric units and the other insisted on using imperial units. The > result was that no-one noticed that the baby was not putting on weight. The > resultant death went to the coroners court and the midwife who insisted on > using “proper” units was criticised by the coroner, as was the health > authority concerned for allowing “dual” units to be used. > > Any switch to metric units HAS to be authorised from the top (or at any rate > the organisation that looks after the database concerned). The norm in the > United Kingdom is that data entry is in metric units, but most health workers > have a conversion chart readily to hands to “translate” for the “older” > members of the population. > > From: USMA [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Paul Trusten > Sent: 22 May 2020 17:05 > To: Metric List Postings > Subject: [USMA 1412] Re: Ancestry survey > > Dear ListServer Folks, > > As a hospital pharmacist, I regret to say that, generally, true U.S. > metrication of this patient data (patient height and body mass)may not yet be > complete. Because American society AND American healthcare workers continue > to use feet/inches and pounds on an everyday, colloquial basis, those legacy > units persist strongly in the culture, and in most U.S. healthcare cultures, > the legacy units continue to be the spoken units of measurement, I.e., when > asked for height and weight, patients quote them in feet and pounds, and the > nurse or doctor initially records them as such. > > Once entered into the electronic health information system, however, they are > substituted with metric measurements, and posted in kilograms and centimeters > only. But they have not yet been exorcized from our midst. SI units are > simply not yet “in the entire lingo“ of American healthcare. > > In the absence of early metric education, pounds and feet are frames of > reference that we Americans are unwilling to abandon without good reason, and > I fear that good reason will come in the form of a medical Mars Orbiter or > Gimli Glider. > > Paul Trusten > Midland, Texas > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > On May 22, 2020, at 10:28, Michael Payne <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> I believe all US hospitals also use kilogram body mass and centimetres as >> well as celsius. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 20 May 2020, at 22:24, Martin Vlietstra <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> In the UK hospitals use metric units for height and weight measurements >> while in Australia everybody uses kilograms. Since Ancestry.com >> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fancestry.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7Cc51a25aad0b64f7f118408d8002fbe1f%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C1%7C637259552346126977&sdata=OFTIdVadq0ZK%2Fql0khGnQS0%2Bz%2FAPEZ%2FHxdyk5ZtLCoM%3D&reserved=0> >> is a world-wide organisation, it makes sense to give users the option of >> either units. >> >> From: USMA [mailto:[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Michael Payne >> Sent: 20 May 2020 06:29 >> To: USMA List Server >> Subject: [USMA 1410] Ancestry survey >> >> I recently received a survey from Ancestry.com >> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fancestry.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7Cc51a25aad0b64f7f118408d8002fbe1f%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C1%7C637259552346126977&sdata=OFTIdVadq0ZK%2Fql0khGnQS0%2Bz%2FAPEZ%2FHxdyk5ZtLCoM%3D&reserved=0> >> regarding a genetic survey on Covid19, they want to see if anyone who’s had >> a DNA test with Ancestry has had or been exposed to Covid 19. One of the >> interesting aspects were when it got near the end of the survey they asked >> for your height and weight, apart from “American Standard” as they termed it >> you could choose metric which gave you the option of cm and kg for height >> and weight. >> >> Mike Payne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> USMA mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://lists.colostate.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/usma >> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.colostate.edu%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fusma&data=02%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7Cc51a25aad0b64f7f118408d8002fbe1f%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C1%7C637259552346136971&sdata=ErhqXCen1e2ehy%2FBCAUovsB2hAfr39FXxd%2BH%2BdolBrU%3D&reserved=0> > _______________________________________________ > USMA mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.colostate.edu%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fusma&data=02%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7Cc51a25aad0b64f7f118408d8002fbe1f%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C1%7C637259552346136971&sdata=ErhqXCen1e2ehy%2FBCAUovsB2hAfr39FXxd%2BH%2BdolBrU%3D&reserved=0 > > <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.colostate.edu%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fusma&data=02%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7Cc51a25aad0b64f7f118408d8002fbe1f%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C1%7C637259552346136971&sdata=ErhqXCen1e2ehy%2FBCAUovsB2hAfr39FXxd%2BH%2BdolBrU%3D&reserved=0>
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