I have not look at the Sun for many years. đ
From: Stephen Humphreys <[email protected]> Sent: 19 September 2021 18:59 To: John Steele <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected]; USMA List Server <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [USMA 1800] Re: No, the UK isn't leaving the metric system Missed out to something that needs correcting to an international audience: " Of the other papers, the Daily Mail and the Daily Express are populist one-sided right-wing papers that cannot be taken seriously while the biggest attraction in The Sun is the size of the Page 3 girl's breasts.â I wouldnât lump imperial or patriotic with âright wingâ - you risk alienating people on the right who prefer metric and also the âflag wavingâ sentiment risks not allowing the left / mon conservative to be patriotic . The Sun has not shown breasts for many year On 19 Sep 2021, at 6:45 pm, John Steele <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Well, the 1875 Treaty of the Meter replaced the French flag with some kind of international flag. Pretty clearly, Customary waves the US flag, and Imperial the Union Jack; that is especially true as the rest of the British Commonwealth is more metricated than the UK itself. On Sunday, September 19, 2021, 12:14:49 PM EDT, Stephen Humphreys <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Suggest you listen to younger people - especially those who are active in sports especially cricket and football I think the measure repeal thing is not to get people to switch back - itâs just for anything new wouldnât have to avoid imperial. And itâs not flag waving in the same way metric doesnât have a french flag Sent from my iPhone > On 19 Sep 2021, at 11:51 am, [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > > ï»żFirst of all, how are imperial units used in the United Kingdom? > > Almost everything in the United Kingdom is done using metric units, apart > from road signs (the specification for manufacturing and placement of roads > signs is done using metric units), the serving of draught beer and cider in > pubs (but beer and sider that is sold in bottles or cans have their sizes in > millilitres while wine and spirits are sold in miliilitre sized units), > newspapers usually quote personal weights and heights in imperial units, but > the medical profession uses metic units, grandma's hand-me-dowm recipes are > usually in imperial units, but recipes in newspapers and magazines aer in > metric units (A British recipe will quote "250 grams of flour" rather than "2 > cups of flour"), milk in the supermarket is usually (but not always) sold in > 1, 2, 4 or 6 pint containers, but farmers are paid by the litre. > > Last Friday a story appeared to have been "leaked" to The Times regarding > possible "watering down" of rules regarding metrication. None of the other > quality papers (The Daily Telegraph, the Guardian and The Independent) > appeared to carry the story. The Times editorial that day was scathing about > the proposal. The following day two letters were printed on the letters page, > neither of which gave any support to the Government on the issue and today a > cartoon appeared in the Sunday Times, again ridiculing both the prime > minister and the possibility of reverting to imperial units (See > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%2Farticle%2Fmorten-morland-sunday-times-cartoon-september-19-2021-sb9kw0f8z&data=04%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7C86a81bda5d1b4f74dd5c08d97ba6bbc7%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637676778308205434%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=IJVBf6SCkd4PN6JpMREQhQTQJVUJXcaR0AVg6RWfdQg%3D&reserved=0 > > <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%2Farticle%2Fmorten-morland-sunday-times-cartoon-september-19-2021-sb9kw0f8z&data=04%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7C86a81bda5d1b4f74dd5c08d97ba6bbc7%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637676778308205434%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=IJVBf6SCkd4PN6JpMREQhQTQJVUJXcaR0AVg6RWfdQg%3D&reserved=0> > > &data=04%7C01%7Cusma%40lists.colostate.edu%7C3cc3dc09afc24f66d46c08d97b889513%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637676648809520012%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=YOuERgwg6iBbpGEvVIhS4jOMRBrc08T8FWdpnkDyGoc%3D&reserved=0). > > For the record, The Times often prints two reader's letters on any one topic > - one in support of the topic and one against. Furthermore, in the run-up to > an election, The Times columnists offer a variety of rules while the editor > keeps silent until the last day before polling. > > Of the other papers, the Daily Mail and the Daily Express are populist > one-sided right-wing papers that cannot be taken seriously while the biggest > attraction in The Sun is the size of the Page 3 girl's breasts. > > The story is, I hope, a bit of sabre-rattling by a small minority. > > -----Original Message----- > From: USMA <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: 19 September 2021 02:46 > To: USMA List Server <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > Subject: [USMA 1797] No, the UK isn't leaving the metric system > > From Reddit: > > There's been a couple articles (well, headlines) posted about the UK moving > away from metric, and while yeah that seems to be true (and I'm not too happy > about it), it's only subtly. > > The actual proposal is to repeal EU rules that meant that all products must > be sold in metric, allowing people to sell in imperial units if they choose. > This is mostly about market stalls and stuff, some of which might want to > (and yeah, it's a silly nationalist flag-waving thing), but there is no way > that any larger retailers, supermarkets, chain shops or anything of the sort > would stop using metric. > > I mean I have no idea how pounds, ounces, gallons etc. work, and apart from > the few things we still do use here (like feet and inches for height, miles > for road signs and speed), everyone under 30 uses the metric system. > Do I think this is a stupid step backwards only designed to appeal to a > subset of older patriotic Brits? Yep, absolutely, and it's an utter waste of > time policy. Are we leaving the metric system and returning to the imperial > one? 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