: I hate to break it to you Bob, but your long-standing : history of defending Caldera on the UUG is falling : upon deaf ears anymore.
Apparently not, or you would not have taken the time to respond. And I like how you changed the original text of my post in your reply. Obviously others are reading my posts too or the whole Trucks thread would not have started. The Caldera I have always talked of is the Caldera before SCO took over and pushed Linux out the door.. I will always defend the old Caldera since they did nothing wrong (except when they bought SCO 2 years ago, and maybe when they went public). And conversly, they did much more for the entire Linux community in the beginning than just about any other Linux vendor (verifiable fact). : Convince Mr. McBride first that, depite any remote : possibility of some ethereal illegitimacy of the linux : kernel, it's still a pretty dang good product -- : technically speaking. I don't know the fellow running things up there now.. Ransom Love was the CEO when I worked for Caldera. It's SCO now. : But maybe you're right: Free/OpenSource folks might : look at this immaturely. It's because we have far too : many better alternatives to give a rat's behind about : Caldera anymore. I never said anything about "Free/OpenSource folks". I was talking about Scott Bradner (writer in Network World) being immature when someone posted a blurb from an article he wrote. I don't make generalizations like that and I really couldn't see it being a wise thing to tell everyone on the list that they are immature. And besides, I don't think they are. I think Scott Bradner is. And I agree, there are tons of choices out there now for Linux. And being a Linux user since 1995, it's really great to see how far Linux has come in such a short time.. : At this point, nobody cares. I guess I do.. Where would any of you be without RPM? Where would you be without StarOffice/OpenOffice? Where would you be without Mozilla? There are many more to list here too.. Yeah, and there are various alternatives to a lot of these now, but in 1993, there weren't, and these things came from Caldera.. Do not confuse the SCO of today with the Caldera that helped give Linux the tools it needed to become what it is today.. I have never and will never defend SCO or anything they have done or are doing. Once you all get your degrees from BYU and move away to make your fortunes, you'll always look back and attribute what you learned to your own hard work as well as your professors and other students that helped you out, right? They helped give you the tools to achieve what you will have achieved 10 years from now. I'm sure there are many of you with parents that went to BYU and look at them now and say "I can't believe they let those kids wear sandals without socks now!". They might not like the changes, but they still have the degree that helped get them where they are today. I don't see much difference here.. The way I see it is that if someone can spew all their negative opinions and personal feelings to the list (or the newspaper), I can say what I think (and what are real facts most often) in reply.. If I am wrong in this observation, please let me know so I can get off the list and move on to other things. I know that Caldera is gone now. SCO killed them and their Linux distribution over the past two years and now SCO is acting rather stupid. I don't disagree with this at all.. I've never like SCO myself, and never will. Well, that should be enough ;-) Later, Bob ____________________ BYU Unix Users Group http://uug.byu.edu/ ___________________________________________________________________ List Info: http://uug.byu.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uug-list
