The tow truck that smokes clutches suffers from the factory quest for economy and narrow range transmissions with excessively low rear axle gear ratios. I've seen Ford trucks with that problem for nigh on 40 years. Even farm trucks. ANY engine needs to turn up to produce horsepower. Say 1500 RPM while starting a load. Then the factory axle and first gear set that ground speed too fast, the clutch has to be slipped to get the rig moving. That's inherent in the automatic. The starting torque of the automatic depends on a 3 to 3.5:1 low gear and a 2 to 2.5: 1 ratio in the torque converter. Over all ratios 6 to 8.8:1. Attach that to a 4.10 rear axle and you have an overall ratio of 24 to 35:1. Meaning that 1500 RPM at the engine corresponds to about 1 to 1.5 revolution per second at the axle. Ground speed 8 to 12 feet per second, 5 to 7 mph in round numbers with 30 inch O.D. tires. Getting a 20:1 over all ratio with a manual transmission having a low gear of 4.72 (ford 5 speed heavy duty) means the axle ratio has to be 4.24 Last winter I spent a lot of time looking at a smaller tow rig, F-150 with small V-8 and low gear in the manual transmission only 3.92. I installed 4.10 axle gears. I'm quite happy with the arrangement, there's enough torque in first gear to move my Caravel anywhere I want to move it in first or reverse (though another 50% speed reduction would occasionally be useful and lead to killing the engine less often while trying for precision positioning), and enough torque in 3rd gear to get up any hill in Missouri at 50 MPH. I toyed with going to 4.56 gears but decided I didn't need the additional 1000 pounds starting capacity, besides I could get there by change the rear tires from 29.1" OD to 25" OD with really low profile 16" tires... A set of tires costs about what the gear change did. Bigger loads require a higher rear axle ratio. I don't think the V10 low speed torque will overcome the need for stump pulling torque for starting with the 3.83 gears. With that much engine, I'd lean towards 4.33 or higher. In my F-150, the gas mileage was 16 with the old 3.08 gears, and without Caravel is till 16 with the 4.10 gears, providing I don't win too many times at the stop lights. The Caravel (at 50 mph) dropped the mileage down to about 15. Unhooking the air conditioning compressor raised the unloaded mileage to 17.8. Running unloaded I generally start in second gear because that's the same overall ratio NOW as the prior truck had in second gear and that any truck normally has had starting with a 3 or 3.5: 1 first gear. Be very careful about oversized tires, they can kill off the thrust gained by high axle ratios. My neighbor has a 98 Dodge 3/4 ton 4X4 with a V-10 gas. It gets about 7 mpg empty or loaded (automatic transmission) and with a 32+ foot SOB gets that same 7 whether towing at 50 or 70. I have yet to convince him that his life is much shorter in emergencies at 70 when stopping and control may be a severe problem. Buying a manual transmission truck these days is harder than buying a Lamborghini or new Ford T-bird (sold out in 2 hours I heard). The dealers don't want to touch them (their sales staff probably doesn't know how to drive one to demonstrate it), and claims they can't sell a used one. Several dealers I've visited plain out say, they won't have a used manual transmission vehicle on their lot. If they take it in on trade they will get rid of some other way than selling it on their lot. I bought a '98 F-150 last January that I think had sat of the lot most of a year because the claim was that the owner bought a new truck each year. They were willing to sell it at a fairly decent price because of that time on the lot. I answer the trade in question by pointing out my current truck for trading is 14 years old, and my big truck is 35. (Hmm. Maybe I should have traded them both?). As for transmission I point out that I don't want to pay for the automatic, I don't want to pay for the fuel to run the automatic and I don't want to pay for fixing the automatic. Fixing and automatic is several times the cost of a clutch even in a Ford which may destroy the clutch when the hydraulic clutch cylinder fails and sprays the clutch plate with oil. I'd prefer a mechanical push rod but they don't make 'em that way these days. I'd prefer a NP-435 or Warner T-19 transmission with a 7.3:1 low gear too, but that's not available to fit the modern truck. The stock 5 speed and stock (usually 3.08) gears are NOT suited for towing. The highest ratio axle gears the factory installs are often not very well suited for towing. I went to a hot rod shop that installs gears of any ratio (in police cars too). I'd get bored with an automatic and frustrated when it shifted when I didn't want it to shift. When the day comes that I can't be bothered shifting gears, I probably shouldn't be driving but should have a chauffeur handling the wheel chair anyway. Gerald J. To unsubscribe or to change to a daily Digest, please go to http://www.airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html If replying back to this message, please delete all the unnecessary original text from your reply.
[VAC] Re: Towing With A Manual 5Speed Transmission
Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:17:10 -0800
- [VAC] Re: Towing With A Manual ... Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer
- [VAC] Re: Towing With A Ma... Dan Weeks
- [VAC] Re: Towing With A Ma... Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer
- [VAC] Re: Towing With A Ma... JPPOLLY
- [VAC] Re: Towing With A Ma... Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer
- [VAC] Re: Towing With A Ma... William Jacobs
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- [VAC] Re: Towing With A Ma... JPPOLLY
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- [VAC] Re: Towing With A Ma... Rev. Daniel M. Osterhout
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