Hydraulic trailer brake controllers have been discouraged by vehicle manufacturers since they began shipping vehicles with dual brake systems. When those dual brake systems involved four wheel drum brakes, the dual split was one front and one rear brake (opposite corners for straight stopping on only one brake system working) and the expected oil flow was exactly the same for either system. To detect a single brake system failure they included a differential pressure switch to detect if the pressure was different between the two brake systems. The master cylinder had identical sized bores so the volume and pressure was exactly the same. When we tap a hydraulic brake controller into just ONE of those dual systems, we require more oil to flow because of the added cylinder in the brake controller. So that unbalances the pressure with the balanced master cylinder, reducing the pressure on the brakes on that part of the dual brake system and can trigger the brake fault light. To minimize that problem, the factory has specified that any auxiliaries such as a hydraulic brake controller must have a very small hydraulic volume. Far smaller than that originally used in hydraulic trailer brake controllers. For a while Tekonsa did make a low volume brake controller but I don't think it met most vehicle makers limits, though it came close. With the modern vehicle using disk brakes on the front and drum brakes on the rear, the balance question is different since it takes a different volume for disks and for drums and the dual system is split front on one part, rear on the other. Adding the volume of a hydraulic trailer brake controller to one or the other can upset the front to rear braking balance and again trip the brake failure switch. That unbalancing of braking action between the two brake systems is why makers of hydraulic brake controllers are very reluctant to claim their controller is compatible with the modern (since 1966 or so) vehicle with dual brake systems. So the electric brake controller companies have avoided the hydraulic brake system with the pendulum or time applied work arounds that are generally less controllable but are not invasive. Seems to me that a hydraulic trailer brake controller with TWO cylinders, one tapped into each of the dual brake lines, could avoid the unbalanced hydraulic load problems and if the dual cylinders in the controller ran a single rheostat through a balance lever (like the equalizing bar in rear parking brakes) it would produce trailer braking exactly proportional to tow vehicle braking. It would cost twice what the last single hydraulic control cost, I think I paid about $49 for the last tiny Tekonsa ten or 12 years ago. In some quarters there is fear of litigation based on touching brake systems. In a hydraulic brake system, any leak anywhere from any cause can eliminate brakes. A vehicle modification that included a tap of the brake lines, might lead to litigation if there was a brake failure or collision that could be blamed on brake failure. Hence there might not be a LEGAL statute that makes brake modification illegal, there is definitely some potential liability. Its conceivable that some states have enacted brake safety regulations that require no changes to the original design, including no tapping for a hydraulic trailer brake controller. In the mean time, I'm getting along with my Kelsey-Hayes Micropower controller mounted a couple inches from the steering wheel and adjusted for gentle stops. If I need more trailer brake, I can handily apply an index finger and get as much as the trailer tires will handle, and then some. Gerald J. To unsubscribe or to change to a daily Digest, please go to http://www.airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html If replying back to this message, please delete all the unnecessary original text from your reply.
[VAC] Re: Hydraulic brake controllers
Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer Tue, 01 May 2001 21:42:41 -0700
- [VAC] Re: Hydraulic brake contr... CBear81438
- [VAC] Re: Hydraulic brake ... Scott Scheuermann
- [VAC] Re: Hydraulic brake ... Robert C Townsend
- [VAC] Re: Hydraulic brake ... Mr. Joy H. Hansen
- [VAC] Re: Hydraulic brake ... Harvey Barlow
- [VAC] Re: Hydraulic brake ... Dave Carr
- [VAC] Re: Hydraulic brake ... Mr. Joy H. Hansen
- [VAC] Re: Hydraulic brake ... Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer
- [VAC] Re: Hydraulic brake ... sedgley
- [VAC] Re: Hydraulic brake ... Harvey Barlow
- [VAC] Re: Hydraulic brake ... Jim Dunmyer
