VACList-Digest Saturday, September 15, 2001 Issue 63
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Refrig vent in floor
2. Re: refrig
3. Re:
4. Re: refrig
5. Re:
6. Re: Polisher to rent?
7. Re:
8. Re: 1971 Safari value
9. Re: refrig
10. Re: refrig
11. Re: refrig
12. Writer Unknown - really worth reading
13. Re: Rent a Tow Vehicle?
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Message Number: 1
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:39:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Josephson)
Subject: Re: Refrig vent in floor
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:21:14 -0500
> From: "Ron Stone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Vaclist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> My 1971 Globetrotter has a hole in the floor and through the belly pan
> (covered by wire) for air to pass through under the refrigerator. Was this
> something needed for original equipment and is it still necessary? I
> have a
> 1999 Hornet and it does not have such a vent. The refrigerator in the
> Airstream is not the original and I would rather not have the vent in the
> floor if not necessary. Any thoughts, suggestions, ideas, knowledge would
> be greatly appreciated.
If you have a propane (ammonia cycle) refrigerator, you need both the
vent in the floor and the corresponding chimney up the wall to the vent
on the roof. Without the convection airflow, the refrigerator will use
much more gas to get cold, and never get cold enough on hot days. It's
also a really good idea to establish an airflow to get rid of the carbon
monoxide generated by the propane flame.
I have a 1971 Tradewind; the gas fridge had been replaced with a K-mart
110 volt one and the chimney ripped out. I put in a new Dometic; it worked
okay with just the floor vent, but cooled down about twice as fast once I
had installed a replacement chimney up to the roof vent (made of aluminum
and plywood, as $360 for the replacement AS part was a bit silly).
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Message Number: 2
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:41:46 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refrig
The propane refrigerator needs a plentiful source of fresh air for
combustion and to feed a stack draft to draw the heat from the flame
across the heat exchanger. My '68 Caravel has that hole. Some have found
that adding an electric fan to the stack draft improves refrigerator
performance.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 3
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:11:04 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
In a message dated 9/13/01 4:28:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<<
Message Number: 7
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:52:53 -0400
From: "Richard P. Kenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Re Terrorism and Tuna
At 06:19 PM 9/12/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Sorry you were angered by my eyewitness reportage from the scene -
>Hope you find and airstream soon.
Tuna - what could anyone find offensive about your post (I'm assuming
you're speaking of the one you gave from Manhattan)? I was just relieved
you were not hurt. She must have mistaken you for the poster of one of
the later letters. Anyhow, we have 2 excellent monitors who take care
chastising people for improper posts. >>
Darn, I missed your account, mind sending it to me directly?
ANYWAY, on to Airstream things.....does ANYONE have knowledge of how many
different kind of entry steps were used in the late 50's and early 60's?
THIS really nice guy keeps asking me about one and it doesn't look like the
others I've seen. Were there different brands possibly? Who made them?
Thanks
3 Peaks
WBCCI, VAC, AirstreamAddict
59, 59, 60, 64, 65, and a late 70's (shhhh)
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Message Number: 4
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:17:29 -0600
From: Gerald or Donna Shippen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refrig
Gerald,
Do you travel with the frig. set to propane? I tried it and it must create
too much draft as it blows the flame out. I also taped a pie tin over the
vent in the underbelly to prevent the thing from going out and it still went
out.
I had a 1970's A/S owner once tell me that he always traveled with the gas
frig. lit. Any ideas?
GAS
1962 Globetrotter (in restoration-dock)
1966 Overlander
At 08:41 PM 9/14/01 -0500, you wrote:
>The propane refrigerator needs a plentiful source of fresh air for
>combustion and to feed a stack draft to draw the heat from the flame
>across the heat exchanger. My '68 Caravel has that hole. Some have found
>that adding an electric fan to the stack draft improves refrigerator
>performance.
>
>Gerald J.
>
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Message Number: 5
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:25:28 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
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Ron,
Are you sure the screen covered hole is under the refrigerator? Or is it
under the heater? My '57 Caravanner has a screen covered 2" diameter hole
under its propane heater to guarantee good flow of air for combustion. That
hole also has a movable cover on the inside (in the floor of the heater) so
it can be closed when no air is desired.
Bert
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<BR>Are you sure the screen covered hole is under the refrigerator? Or is it
under the heater? My '57 Caravanner has a screen covered 2" diameter hole under
its propane heater to guarantee good flow of air for combustion. That hole also
<BR>
<BR>Bert
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Message Number: 6
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 00:30:27 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Polisher to rent?
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Cindy,
Has anyone told you how long it takes to do this polishing? Unless you don't
have a job and can work on it all day, and you have arms of steel, this
project is likely to take you months. If someone is going to loan or rent
you a polisher they will need to plan on having it gone a long time.
Good Luck!
Bert
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<BR>Has anyone told you how long it takes to do this polishing? Unless you don't
have a job and can work on it all day, and you have arms of steel, this project is
likely to take you months. If someone is going to loan or rent you a polisher
t<BR>
<BR>Good Luck!
<BR>
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Message Number: 7
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 08:55:57 -0400
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
The entry steps that I have noticed from late 50's through early/mid 60's
are all the same. A slide out and down, heavy thing that will take out your
shins if you stand too close! They are almost an extension of the frame. I
have not noticed a manufacturer's name.
Scott
1960 Overlander
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:11 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re:
. ..... ANYWAY, on to Airstream things.....does ANYONE have knowledge of how
many
> different kind of entry steps were used in the late 50's and early 60's?
> THIS really nice guy keeps asking me about one and it doesn't look like
the
> others I've seen. Were there different brands possibly? Who made them?
>
> Thanks
> 3 Peaks
>
> WBCCI, VAC, AirstreamAddict
> 59, 59, 60, 64, 65, and a late 70's (shhhh)
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Message Number: 8
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 13:52:01
From: "H. A. K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 1971 Safari value
Hi,
I had a 72 safari which i picked up for 3,500.00 and then spent
6 months of my time and another 3,500.00 in restoration (even new
curtains, carpet, tire, etc. etc.) Due to a financial crisis about 2 years
ago,,, I sold the trailer for 6,500.00...(and I am sorry I sold it)
However,,, my friends always tease me that perhaps my motto should be "buy
high --- sell low" it works for me,,, but not highly recomended (ha ha
ha)...
If this was a mint trailer I would guess somewhere in teh neighbor hood of
$7,0000.00 (provided it had not been previously abused).
Secondly I would never buy a trailer I didn't personally inspect.
good luck !!!
hak
. . Anyone out there who has bought /sold
>one that was in excellent (restored)interior condition and excellent
>tires/brakes/etc. but with clearcoat in good condition except on the top?
>Just tell me about your
>trailers' value after it is fixed. I hope asking this does not offend
>anyone, I notice emotions are running high right now. Thank-you ahead of
>time.
>
>Carrie Welch
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Message Number: 9
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:27:21 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refrig
on 09/15/01 12:17 AM, Gerald or Donna Shippen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I had a 1970's A/S owner once tell me that he always traveled with the gas
> frig. lit. Any ideas?
Hi Gerald,
If you haven't read this posting from Tom Patterson's archives, it may help
you decide.
http://www.tompatterson.com/VAC/MHonArc/2001_08/msg00723.html
Terry
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Message Number: 10
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 09:28:52 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refrig
I travel with the refrigerator set to propane. That's its only setting.
But since the burner doesn't work its not lit. I need to work on that
some day. There is an added baffle to protect the burner from drafts. I
recall my dad fussing about some of his prior trailers, some would stay
lit while on the road some wouldn't. In my '68 Airstream owner's manual
it says shut the LP off while traveling. That was the state law many
places then. It still may be. Remember some places won't allow propane
tanks, even turned off, such as the Baltimore Tunnel.
I'm not a great fan of gas appliances so I may be slow to fix my
refrigerator.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 11
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:01:34 -0400
From: "Jim Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refrig
Ron, all three of my Airstreams had the floor vent because the refrigerator
door was not louvered as is the case with some RVs. If you have a solid
door, you need the floor vent for ventilation and to remove the hot air from
the fridge coils. Some people even put in a 12V fan to move cooler air
across the coils. Makes a difference in cooling and efficiency.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
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From: "VACList Administration" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 21:18
Subject: [VAC] refrig
>
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:21:14 -0500
> From: "Ron Stone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Vaclist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> My 1971 Globetrotter has a hole in the floor and through the belly pan
> (covered by wire) for air to pass through under the refrigerator. Was
this
> something needed for original equipment and is it still necessary? I
> have a
> 1999 Hornet and it does not have such a vent. The refrigerator in the
> Airstream is not the original and I would rather not have the vent in the
> floor if not necessary. Any thoughts, suggestions, ideas, knowledge would
> be greatly appreciated.
>
> Ron Stone
> VP of Affiliate Sales
> Traffic Pulse Networks
> A Division of Mobility Technologies, Inc.
> 2051 Killebrew Drive, Suite 306
> Bloomington, Minnesota 55425
> P: 952.858.1101 - F: 202.318.7809 - C: 612.387.4489
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.traffic.com/
> http://www.mobilitytechnologies.com/
>
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Message Number: 12
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 13:45:42 -0500
From: "Ron Stone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Writer Unknown - really worth reading
It's not about the money...
It's not about how the stock market will perform when it opens. Or whether
we're in a recession, or whether the price of oil and gasoline are going to
soar again. It's not about tech stocks, or day trading, or interest rates,
or all of the other little preoccupations that fill our lives during
peacetime.
The terrorists who struck the heart of America's financial and political
capitals this week thought they could take us out with a one-two punch,
simultaneously bringing down our military leadership along with our
financial system, the pulse of the world economy.
They were wrong. While shocking in the scope of destruction and loss of
life, the attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Center will do nothing to
dent our military or stem the tide of American-brand capitalism that has
changed the world for the better.
The banking system held - easily. The Fed, the European Central Bank and the
Bank of Japan pumped $118 billion into the global banking system Wednesday
and the rest of G7 nations stand ready to add more if needed. Federal
Reserve funding operations worked just fine. Social Security payments
continued. And banks reported no problems with their money transfer systems.
Asian markets reeled, as expected, but European markets rallied. The
institutions that trade in Europe are the same ones that dominate trading in
the U.S. - Goldman Sachs (GS), Morgan Stanley (MWD), Deutsche Bank, and UBS.
Some of them have lost employees, maybe hundreds of employees. None of them
are out of business, or plan to be. We are in a global economy now and we
rise and fall together with our allies. Bonds will rally when they open
Thursday. Stocks, which some strategists expect to plunge when they open
Friday or Monday, won't be half as bad as people think. They may even rise.
When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor sixty years ago this December 7, there was a
feeling of victory over U.S. interests, just like there was in Palestine,
Egypt and several other Arab nations Tuesday. But one man knew better.
Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto knew that rather than victory, Japan had
instead sowed the seeds for its final defeat."We have awakened a sleeping
giant and filled him with a terrible resolve," Yamamoto said famously.
Resolve. That's what it's about.
A lot of things changed for this country forever on Tuesday. But our
capitalism, our freedom to pursue opportunity, and our resolve to live our
lives without fear did not. There will always be those who hate, throwing
bombs at little girls walking to school or diving packed planes into
buildings full of mothers
and fathers. But in America, there will always be more of those who love,
racing into crumbling buildings to rescue strangers and fighting armed
terrorists in the sky to prevent a plane from hitting the White House.
That's what the terrorists will never understand, and why they will never
win. Because it's not about the money!
Ron Stone
VP of Affiliate Sales
Traffic Pulse Networks
A Division of Mobility Technologies, Inc.
2051 Killebrew Drive, Suite 306
Bloomington, Minnesota 55425
P: 952.858.1101 - F: 202.318.7809 - C: 612.387.4489
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.traffic.com/
http://www.mobilitytechnologies.com/
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Message Number: 13
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:37:35 -0700
From: "Debra Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rent a Tow Vehicle?
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Sparks, NV
#5700
55 Bubble
56 Safari
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