sorry Nayan...havent even read the mail fully but reacting on the first line. I never never meant to say you did anything like that. But i started out replying to your mail so started with dear nayan and went on to say what was in my mind which was a reaction to my Colaba fren's action. Sorry for the carelessness. Not even once did i think of you that way. Please believe me. Arch
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Nayan Mapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, Archana, nice write up but I am sorry to say that none of my mails > point towards dividing the hatred between the hindus and the muslims!!! I > feel that terrorism has to be removed from the root! I am not saying that > the Muslims living anywhere in the world are to be blamed, infact they are > bigger victims of this situation than you and me. I completely sympathize > with them since I know for sure that 99.99% of all the muslims in the world > are innocent! But I dont agree with you when you say that the terrorists who > implement the blast are only to be blamed!!!! Unless you remove and > eradicate the terrorism from the base you will surely find ppl with a lure > of money and little bit of provoking to do the job of implementing the > blast. All the 10 ppl who came to India were from Pakistan. These 10 people > have been consumed now, another 10 will come tomorrow and how long are you > going to wait for their bosses to call the shots! I feel their base should > be attacked and howmuch ever ppl in India love non-violence I think most of > them think that enough is enough! If we have concrete evidence of Pakistan > supporting this terror which is very evident from this attack then I dont > know what are we waiting for! I think we must declare a war against them and > show them once and for all that we are not going to take things lying > down!!!! > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Archana Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Monday, 1 December, 2008 5:53:12 PM > *Subject:* remember not to buy into politics of hatred > > Dear Nayan, > We have to realise here as educated people that we should not buy into > politics of hatred. The Hindu and Muslim hatred particularly. > > I have many Pakistani friends here and to be frank they were solid support > to me when i was living in Sheffield and in London. They treated me with > respect, care and so much love. They are deeply saddened by what they > hear...esp when Lahore is named. These are the people who lost a powerful > woman leader who was killed by the very same people who have attacked our > soil. These are the people who have have been attacked by terrorists in > Marriott hotel in Islamabad right when they were about to break their fast > (Iftaari) during Ramzaan. I couldn't agree with Pak PM that the terrorists > are equally their enemy. > > I hate it when our govts coolly blame Pakistan and Dawood. Because that > will give them the excuse that it was not in their control. The people who > planted 1993 bombs were Indians, dawood didn't come here to plant it. So > stop blaming people who are not here. I am not bothered who is holiding the > remote control...what matters who is implementing the blast. > > I am writing this is because a friend of mine, his son is studying in > London. Extremely rich man, religious Muslim. The son was desperate to find > a job (shaukiya, doesn't need it) so I put him onto to a Pak friend who > arranged a job at an elite Central London garment/suits shop, owned by a > young chap with Iran/Pak origin. They were all very happy then. > > Now my friend called his son and said, no need to go to work at that Pak > man's shop. He is extremely angry as he lives opposite Radio club, five > minutes from Taj hotel. When i called him I could hear the blast and he > could see the burning Taj from his window. He has a huge showroom close to > Leopold and his staff saw the terrorists running towards Taj. He lost > friends in the attack. Their bakery wala died, a curious couple on the > fourth floor died and he knew them. He had just taken a staff meeting to > augment/promote Christmas shopping as many foreigners buy from there. And > since the attack,,the shop is closed. > > In a way, he is affected from all side. Colaba market (Nariman house) is > behind his lane, Taj saamne, Causeway close to his place. But to generalise > on his part and painting all Pakistanis with the same brush is as bad as > Hindus calling those terrorists Muslims and nothing else. > > I can write so much but long mails can unnerve people and putting off. > > Arch > > > > > On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 6:54 AM, Nayan Mapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hmm, i know it is crap and even if it was true i will never believe it! >> I am an eternal optimist, India will be safe one day and I am sure to see >> this happen some day!!!! But what worries me the most is how and who will do >> it? I dont have any answers to this questions! >> >> Well, i have been reading and watching about the terror 24 x7, must have >> read most of the articles! How many of you know that there was another boat >> full of terrorists had come to the Colaba harbour after an hour of these >> incidents took place! Luckily, the alert citizens shouted and sent them >> back! What would have happened to the state of Mumbai if another batch would >> have been allowed to enter! I saw Kirit Somaya at a wedding yesterday in >> Mulund, had seen him on the T.V earlier with Modi! I am not too concerned >> whether he is totla or not but what really upsets me is why these people >> want to take political mileage out of any situation. Modi came and told on >> T.V that he had informed about the hijacking of a trawler from Gujarat long >> back, Advani,Sonia and our P.M probably came here for the same reasons. If i >> remember correctly it is because of this party the Babri Masjid was >> demolished and we are seeing the effects of the same till date! I am not a >> supporter of Congress either, Narsima Rao's Govt let this happen despite >> being at the centre!!! >> >> H.V: Have a safe trip to Saudi and back!! >> >> Bye!!! >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Archana Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Friday, 28 November, 2008 8:51:23 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: Stop the Menace!!!! >> >> Nayan, I can assure you 100 per cent, that the cops killing theory is >> complete CRAP! It happened in front of my colleagues...we will know. Those >> behind Malegaon blasts are not invincible yaar. Again if the govt has the >> will there too, they can also be brought to justice. Of all the grimn and >> sorrowful stories i was reading in TOI (i am not reading any other >> newspaper, know some of the reporters there and they are abso crap). I >> really liked reading Page 11 of today's edition. Great thoughts, fantastic >> anecdotes, written in class one ENglish. Sample this: *What is thicker >> than a bullet-proof vest? A politician's hyde.* >> This snippet was about Kirit Somaiyya blabbering that govt was busy >> chasing Hindu militants, that's this happened. He is totla to speak to, I >> have spoken to him, in fact he lost his MP seat in 2004 largely (Congressmen >> say) because of a story i did and was published on page one. He calls >> himself Killith. Why doesn't he shut his mouth? >> If you have time go through it. I am not reading the live stream,...so >> scared. I can't even grieve aloud here. My colleagues didn't know it was my >> city which was attacked as i always called it Bombay (which i will) to >> them and in the news they had heard Mumbai. >> I very gingerly opened TOI today and found that the death toll is 143. >> PAIN. >> Arch >> >> >> >> >> On 11/28/08, Nayan Mapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Phew, indeed very scary! >>> >>> Time to become proactive rather than reactive, we always look for water >>> after the fire has broken! You guys must write to the government officers, >>> press, the government and express your anguish towards their inability, >>> complete intelligence failure. This will surely put pressure on them! Most >>> of the people whom i am speaking with, affluent, common man, intellectual >>> etc, all of them are so negative about the entire thing. All of them keep >>> expressing that all these policemen, navy guards etc are so corrupt that >>> they can let anything happen to the country if they are paid! How could a >>> vessel/boat enter the Mumbai's coast line without anyone noticing it? >>> Another story going on here is that the three cops killing was a conspiracy, >>> they were killed at the behest of the politicians since Malegaon blast >>> repurcussions could have dragged them all! I just couldn't take these >>> stories and I dont want to believe this crap but why is everyone so >>> negative, maybe there is a case of me being prejudice!!! >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* subramaniam sreenivasan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Sent:* Friday, 28 November, 2008 6:18:03 PM >>> *Subject:* RE: Stop the Menace!!!! >>> >>> >>> I am watching CNN-IBN on Internet and have CNN running on TV and THIS IS >>> SCARY man .... The real situation is only now beginning to sink in , The >>> gunshots, stun grenades going off while the reporter is talking .... this is >>> not an incident .. like Nayan said .. this is war .. >>> >>> This situation will end ... I pray sooner than later ... but we should >>> not forget the lesson. Like Nayan said .. I too would like to see some >>> strong action being taken , short term and long term. Maybe long term , we >>> need a Israel style Kibutz system. We can blame politicians and political >>> will etc, but how are we going to put the will into them ??? People talk >>> about how resilient people of mumbai are blah blah ... is that resilience >>> hurting us more than it is helping us ... we move on and so do our >>> politicians. Should we all stop going to work, stop sending money to india, >>> empty our bank accounts until strong action is taken ???? or should we stall >>> the airport (bangkok style) ... There are elections coming ... maybe we >>> should boycott the elections. >>> >>> We have to do something to force the govy to take short term and long >>> term action >>> >>> As I write this ... commandos have fired a rocket into Chabad House ..... >>> God save us and save India ... >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:59:31 +0530 >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: Re:Stop the Menace!!!! >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> I changed the headline, it is not the Mumbai shootings, in fact a war. >>> How else would you justify battalions of NSG commando's flown from Delhi, >>> Navy commando's, IAF helicopters, Rapid action force personnels and around >>> 800 police men manning the three important buildings! >>> >>> Well, Subu it is a very good suggestion to start thinking about ways and >>> means to prevent such a situation in future!!! It is so very evident that >>> resources are not at large for putting things in perspective but what we >>> lack is basic planning and a political will to stop this!! I dont understand >>> why is it so difficult to avert such situations? I mean we have an example >>> in front of us, U.S mein ek parinde ne bhi per nahi mara after the 9/11, U.K >>> has had no terror casualties after the train blasts, remember they foiled >>> the attempt of the indian born mujaideens at Glasgow airport! Why cant we >>> follow their foot steps, we do follow them for all other things but why not >>> for this! I keep hearing and reading the news that there was a warning >>> issued long time back about the porous sea borders and Narendra Modi went on >>> to add that he had already stated this long time back. I mean what the hell >>> are we doing, if these politicians know the possible threat zones and they >>> still want to sit and pass the buck I must say only GOD save this >>> country!!!! This is as good as knowing about the crime and keeping mum which >>> is punishable under the IPC! How can you just keep quiet?????? To my mind, >>> the first thing what should be done is to withdraw all the security men >>> from these politicians! All the politicians are so rich even officially that >>> they can afford to have their own security men! They can travel in their >>> bullet proof cars and wear bullet proof jackets if they are so concerned >>> about their safety! Why should public pay for their safety when they care a >>> damn about ours! Increase the salaries of all the police men, army,security >>> agencies and give them performance based bonuses! Every time they foil a >>> plausible terrorist attack they should be rewarded and if they fail in their >>> attempt they should be penalised and sacked if needed.Increase the force, >>> give them the power, choose the right candidates for the right spot and no >>> politician will decide about their appointment or their transfers. It should >>> be decided by the judiciary, high court judges preferrably. Invest in the >>> technology, equipments and instruments needed to prevent such attacks! >>> Security cameras on each and every street of all the cities, not alone >>> railway stations or airports! Security cameras inside the police stations >>> and it should be connected to the local cable operators, every citizen has >>> the right to know whether the Policemen whom we actually trust our lives >>> upon discharge their duties efficiently or not! Make them accountable at >>> every stage, all court proceedings should be aired live too! There should be >>> a body of intellectual ppl formed above this level whose job is to keep a >>> tab on the daily proceedings and they must report to the local news channels >>> about the number of incidents that take place in their jurisdiction. >>> >>> >>> If the politicians need resources to build this secured environment we >>> are ready to pay more taxes but if they fail they should be sacked >>> instantly and never be ever allowed to contest any elections!!!! The gist of >>> the matter is that make each and every public servant accountable at every >>> level! I have no doubt in my mind that if there is a strong will to set >>> things right no one can even think of even causing a scratch on us, forget >>> about the terrorism!!!!!!! >>> >>> I dont know how you guys have taken this episode, but i havent been able >>> to sleep that well! The first thing what comes to my mind is the death of >>> the ATS chief and i just cant imagine how could we let him die like this. He >>> was such an upright officer, engineer and an IPS officer to boot! The same >>> holds true for all the policemen who have laid their lives for this cause! >>> Hats off to all of them including all the commanders who are involved in >>> flushing out the terrorists! India has the potential to become the super >>> power by 2015, forget about 2025 but we got to wake up now and should not >>> let this episode pass by just like that. This is a big lesson to be learnt, >>> biggest terrorist attack in the indian history to date, i guess this shold >>> be a good enough reason for us to actually wake up!!!! JAGO INDIA JAGO >>> before it is too late. >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious >>> email. 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