by talking to Pakistan where the civilian control is very dodgy and is
dominated by rogue elements from its military and intelligence services!!
Archana Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Now i have read the whole mail and have to say..I really don't agree with
you on going to war against them. eradicate the bosses yes. Do like
Americans..use Pakistan and attack Taliban. but what's the point going on a war
against a country who is battling against our enemies unsuccessfully. I think
we should unite and fight against terrorism.
Arch
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Nayan Mapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, Archana, nice write up but I am sorry to say that none of my
mails point towards dividing the hatred between the hindus and the muslims!!! I
feel that terrorism has to be removed from the root! I am not saying that the
Muslims living anywhere in the world are to be blamed, infact they are bigger
victims of this situation than you and me. I completely sympathize with them
since I know for sure that 99.99% of all the muslims in the world are innocent!
But I dont agree with you when you say that the terrorists who implement the
blast are only to be blamed!!!! Unless you remove and eradicate the terrorism
from the base you will surely find ppl with a lure of money and little bit of
provoking to do the job of implementing the blast. All the 10 ppl who came to
India were from Pakistan. These 10 people have been consumed now, another 10
will come tomorrow and how long are you going to wait for their bosses to call
the shots! I feel their base should be attacked and
howmuch ever ppl in India love non-violence I think most of them think that
enough is enough! If we have concrete evidence of Pakistan supporting this
terror which is very evident from this attack then I dont know what are we
waiting for! I think we must declare a war against them and show them once and
for all that we are not going to take things lying down!!!!
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From: Archana Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, 1 December, 2008 5:53:12 PM
Subject: remember not to buy into politics of hatred
Dear Nayan,
We have to realise here as educated people that we should not buy into
politics of hatred. The Hindu and Muslim hatred particularly.
I have many Pakistani friends here and to be frank they were solid support to
me when i was living in Sheffield and in London. They treated me with respect,
care and so much love. They are deeply saddened by what they hear...esp when
Lahore is named. These are the people who lost a powerful woman leader who was
killed by the very same people who have attacked our soil. These are the people
who have have been attacked by terrorists in Marriott hotel in Islamabad right
when they were about to break their fast (Iftaari) during Ramzaan. I couldn't
agree with Pak PM that the terrorists are equally their enemy.
I hate it when our govts coolly blame Pakistan and Dawood. Because that will
give them the excuse that it was not in their control. The people who planted
1993 bombs were Indians, dawood didn't come here to plant it. So stop blaming
people who are not here. I am not bothered who is holiding the remote
control...what matters who is implementing the blast.
I am writing this is because a friend of mine, his son is studying in London.
Extremely rich man, religious Muslim. The son was desperate to find a job
(shaukiya, doesn't need it) so I put him onto to a Pak friend who arranged a
job at an elite Central London garment/suits shop, owned by a young chap with
Iran/Pak origin. They were all very happy then.
Now my friend called his son and said, no need to go to work at that Pak
man's shop. He is extremely angry as he lives opposite Radio club, five minutes
from Taj hotel. When i called him I could hear the blast and he could see the
burning Taj from his window. He has a huge showroom close to Leopold and his
staff saw the terrorists running towards Taj. He lost friends in the attack.
Their bakery wala died, a curious couple on the fourth floor died and he knew
them. He had just taken a staff meeting to augment/promote Christmas shopping
as many foreigners buy from there. And since the attack,,the shop is closed.
In a way, he is affected from all side. Colaba market (Nariman house) is
behind his lane, Taj saamne, Causeway close to his place. But to generalise on
his part and painting all Pakistanis with the same brush is as bad as Hindus
calling those terrorists Muslims and nothing else.
I can write so much but long mails can unnerve people and putting off.
Arch
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 6:54 AM, Nayan Mapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hmm, i know it is crap and even if it was true i will never believe it!
I am an eternal optimist, India will be safe one day and I am sure to see this
happen some day!!!! But what worries me the most is how and who will do it? I
dont have any answers to this questions!
Well, i have been reading and watching about the terror 24 x7, must have read
most of the articles! How many of you know that there was another boat full of
terrorists had come to the Colaba harbour after an hour of these incidents
took place! Luckily, the alert citizens shouted and sent them back! What would
have happened to the state of Mumbai if another batch would have been allowed
to enter! I saw Kirit Somaya at a wedding yesterday in Mulund, had seen him on
the T.V earlier with Modi! I am not too concerned whether he is totla or not
but what really upsets me is why these people want to take political mileage
out of any situation. Modi came and told on T.V that he had informed about the
hijacking of a trawler from Gujarat long back, Advani,Sonia and our P.M
probably came here for the same reasons. If i remember correctly it is because
of this party the Babri Masjid was demolished and we are seeing the effects of
the same till date! I am not a supporter of Congress
either, Narsima Rao's Govt let this happen despite being at the centre!!!
H.V: Have a safe trip to Saudi and back!!
Bye!!!
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From: Archana Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, 28 November, 2008 8:51:23 PM
Subject: Re: Stop the Menace!!!!
Nayan, I can assure you 100 per cent, that the cops killing theory is
complete CRAP! It happened in front of my colleagues...we will know. Those
behind Malegaon blasts are not invincible yaar. Again if the govt has the will
there too, they can also be brought to justice. Of all the grimn and sorrowful
stories i was reading in TOI (i am not reading any other newspaper, know some
of the reporters there and they are abso crap). I really liked reading Page 11
of today's edition. Great thoughts, fantastic anecdotes, written in class one
ENglish. Sample this: What is thicker than a bullet-proof vest? A politician's
hyde.
This snippet was about Kirit Somaiyya blabbering that govt was busy chasing
Hindu militants, that's this happened. He is totla to speak to, I have spoken
to him, in fact he lost his MP seat in 2004 largely (Congressmen say) because
of a story i did and was published on page one. He calls himself Killith. Why
doesn't he shut his mouth?
If you have time go through it. I am not reading the live stream,...so
scared. I can't even grieve aloud here. My colleagues didn't know it was my
city which was attacked as i always called it Bombay (which i will) to them and
in the news they had heard Mumbai.
I very gingerly opened TOI today and found that the death toll is 143. PAIN.
Arch
On 11/28/08, Nayan Mapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Phew, indeed
very scary!
Time to become proactive rather than reactive, we always look for water after
the fire has broken! You guys must write to the government officers, press, the
government and express your anguish towards their inability, complete
intelligence failure. This will surely put pressure on them! Most of the people
whom i am speaking with, affluent, common man, intellectual etc, all of them
are so negative about the entire thing. All of them keep expressing that all
these policemen, navy guards etc are so corrupt that they can let anything
happen to the country if they are paid! How could a vessel/boat enter the
Mumbai's coast line without anyone noticing it? Another story going on here is
that the three cops killing was a conspiracy, they were killed at the behest of
the politicians since Malegaon blast repurcussions could have dragged them all!
I just couldn't take these stories and I dont want to believe this crap but why
is everyone so negative, maybe there is a case of me being
prejudice!!!
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From: subramaniam sreenivasan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, 28 November, 2008 6:18:03 PM
Subject: RE: Stop the Menace!!!!
I am watching CNN-IBN on Internet and have CNN running on TV and THIS IS SCARY
man .... The real situation is only now beginning to sink in , The gunshots,
stun grenades going off while the reporter is talking .... this is not an
incident .. like Nayan said .. this is war ..
This situation will end ... I pray sooner than later ... but we should not
forget the lesson. Like Nayan said .. I too would like to see some strong
action being taken , short term and long term. Maybe long term , we need a
Israel style Kibutz system. We can blame politicians and political will etc,
but how are we going to put the will into them ??? People talk about how
resilient people of mumbai are blah blah ... is that resilience hurting us more
than it is helping us ... we move on and so do our politicians. Should we all
stop going to work, stop sending money to india, empty our bank accounts until
strong action is taken ???? or should we stall the airport (bangkok style) ...
There are elections coming ... maybe we should boycott the elections.
We have to do something to force the govy to take short term and long term
action
As I write this ... commandos have fired a rocket into Chabad House ..... God
save us and save India ...
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:59:31 +0530
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:Stop the Menace!!!!
To: [email protected]
I changed the headline, it is not the Mumbai shootings, in fact a war. How
else would you justify battalions of NSG commando's flown from Delhi, Navy
commando's, IAF helicopters, Rapid action force personnels and around 800
police men manning the three important buildings!
Well, Subu it is a very good suggestion to start thinking about ways and means
to prevent such a situation in future!!! It is so very evident that resources
are not at large for putting things in perspective but what we lack is basic
planning and a political will to stop this!! I dont understand why is it so
difficult to avert such situations? I mean we have an example in front of us,
U.S mein ek parinde ne bhi per nahi mara after the 9/11, U.K has had no terror
casualties after the train blasts, remember they foiled the attempt of the
indian born mujaideens at Glasgow airport! Why cant we follow their foot steps,
we do follow them for all other things but why not for this! I keep hearing and
reading the news that there was a warning issued long time back about the
porous sea borders and Narendra Modi went on to add that he had already stated
this long time back. I mean what the hell are we doing, if these politicians
know the possible threat zones and they still want to
sit and pass the buck I must say only GOD save this country!!!! This is as
good as knowing about the crime and keeping mum which is punishable under the
IPC! How can you just keep quiet?????? To my mind, the first thing what should
be done is to withdraw all the security men from these politicians! All the
politicians are so rich even officially that they can afford to have their own
security men! They can travel in their bullet proof cars and wear bullet proof
jackets if they are so concerned about their safety! Why should public pay for
their safety when they care a damn about ours! Increase the salaries of all the
police men, army,security agencies and give them performance based bonuses!
Every time they foil a plausible terrorist attack they should be rewarded and
if they fail in their attempt they should be penalised and sacked if
needed.Increase the force, give them the power, choose the right candidates for
the right spot and no politician will decide about their
appointment or their transfers. It should be decided by the judiciary, high
court judges preferrably. Invest in the technology, equipments and instruments
needed to prevent such attacks! Security cameras on each and every street of
all the cities, not alone railway stations or airports! Security cameras inside
the police stations and it should be connected to the local cable operators,
every citizen has the right to know whether the Policemen whom we actually
trust our lives upon discharge their duties efficiently or not! Make them
accountable at every stage, all court proceedings should be aired live too!
There should be a body of intellectual ppl formed above this level whose job is
to keep a tab on the daily proceedings and they must report to the local news
channels about the number of incidents that take place in their jurisdiction.
If the politicians need resources to build this secured environment we are
ready to pay more taxes but if they fail they should be sacked instantly and
never be ever allowed to contest any elections!!!! The gist of the matter is
that make each and every public servant accountable at every level! I have no
doubt in my mind that if there is a strong will to set things right no one can
even think of even causing a scratch on us, forget about the terrorism!!!!!!!
I dont know how you guys have taken this episode, but i havent been able to
sleep that well! The first thing what comes to my mind is the death of the ATS
chief and i just cant imagine how could we let him die like this. He was such
an upright officer, engineer and an IPS officer to boot! The same holds true
for all the policemen who have laid their lives for this cause! Hats off to all
of them including all the commanders who are involved in flushing out the
terrorists! India has the potential to become the super power by 2015, forget
about 2025 but we got to wake up now and should not let this episode pass by
just like that. This is a big lesson to be learnt, biggest terrorist attack in
the indian history to date, i guess this shold be a good enough reason for us
to actually wake up!!!! JAGO INDIA JAGO before it is too late.
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