On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 6:28 AM, Dridi Boukelmoune <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Nils Goroll <[email protected]> wrote: >> I really see no relevant points to veto walking in the direction we're >> heading, >> except for the general unhappyness about centralism. > > I'm with Nils but *also* unhappy because github feels very crippling > to me, especially its web interface. I sincerely hope we'll never > press the merge button of a pull request but instead keep a linear git > history as we usually manage to do. > > Also I will not participate in Stackoverflow Q&As because: > 1. I don't want to create yet another account to some random online service > 2. I've had bad experiences with SO-driven-developers (copy-paste-madness) > 3. I'm currently lagging significantly on the lower traffic -misc list
I also worry about using SO as a support mechanism. Apart from the concerns that Dridi mentioned, there are other problems with the entire SO model of having questions answered. Very fundamentally, it is up to the person who asks the question to accept an answer. The difference between "what works" and "what is correct" is in many cases quite stark. This sometimes has the effect of driving knowledgeable folks away from answering questions, which in turn produces more poor quality answers. Unless a question is extremely popular, it is also unlikely that community involvement results in a better answer becoming the selected answer. People who ask questions also frequently skip the whole part of accepting answers. This can make it confusing as to which answer is correct (upvotes aren't always a great indicator), and for people who take SO karma seriously, this also tends to drive down answer quality (especially when the asker is a guest / has 0 karma). If SO is inevitable for -misc traffic, I would recommend a slightly different approach: "Please ask your question at SO, and then link it here." And then encourage people to be good denizens, seeing questions through to resolution. Digging through the -misc archive, it appears that most questions at least result in discussion, whether or not they are resolved to the satisfaction of the asker. So it isn't a black hole. SO questions tagged with "varnish" currently has 5 pages of questions not marked as answered out of 25 pages of questions with the tag. Without looking at all of them, this illustrates that 20% questions are not being handled according to SO community guidelines. Driving more people to SO who are unfamiliar with its model is likely to make the support experience worse if there is no strategy for actually monitoring the questions. --dho > Anyway I still hope this change is for the best :) > > Dridi > > _______________________________________________ > varnish-dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.varnish-cache.org/lists/mailman/listinfo/varnish-dev _______________________________________________ varnish-dev mailing list [email protected] https://www.varnish-cache.org/lists/mailman/listinfo/varnish-dev
