On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 12:08 +0200, David Baron wrote:
> On Sunday 11 February 2007, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> > On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 21:30 +0200, David Baron wrote:
> > > 1. Emulated Devices
> > >
> > > Has anyone succeded in getting audio to work with Windows guests? How?
> > > Windows needs an "installable" device through which to play. Qemu
> > > provides this. A recent post on this topic stated VirtualBox emulates
> > > AC97. This codec is ubitiquitous but is fronted by some other chip,
> > > sometimes on the motherboard. Windows (98) cannot detect what is being
> > > emulated, therefore, no audio.
> >
> > Win98?  WTF?  Get an OS a bit more in line the times. :-)   Sound works
> > flawlessly for me with Win2k and WinXP guests.
> 
> How did you set it up. That is from the sound application, to which audio 
> device is it playing. 

The Win2k/WinXP OS installers setup up the sound.  I really couldn't
help you much with getting Windows setup to do the things you want.  I'd
have to guess that asking Microsoft would be out of the question  these
days too.  What errors are you getting in your Windows Event Log (does
98 even have that?) wrt sound devices?

> Same should work with Win98. W2K was probably their 
> best all around but I do not own it and will not steal it.

Two words:  Buy It!  :-)

> >
> > > PCI: It has been stated that vbox does not now emulate PCI. So Windows
> > > guest device manager will indeed detect PCI devices but cannot identify
> > > them. Halfway may be worse than none :-) The ideal may be not to emulate
> > > but to arbitrate.
> > >
> > > The only installable device is the ethernet card!
> >
> > I use USB devices without any problems.
> USB is listed as working correctly in the device manager and I assume 
> usable.. 
> (I do not understand the filters in the setup menus.) I have a MIDI interface 
> plugged in the the USB. Windows guest has NOT asked me for installation for 
> it (so maybe the "hotplugging" is not implemented) I could try to simple 
> install its driver manually--or do I need to?)

Midi in a VM.... Yikes, you must be a glutton for punishment.  Midi
itself is a headache on less than really good hardware... I can't even
fathom the affect that virtualization will have upon it.... Even
further... Midi on Win98 standalone?

> > > 2. Video
> > >
> > > Windows will also default to the junkiest vga video and say that is not
> > > working correctly. On 32-bit (NT) based windows, the guest additons have
> > > an alternative that can be installed with the device manager. Not on bad
> > > old Win98. Qemu does provide emulation that is not flagged as not working
> > > and one can change the display size at will, even on Win98.
> >
> > Did you install the VBox Guest Additions?  If not, you are missing a
> > lot.
> Thars the rub! They mostly do not work in Win98. They probably should not 
> install there in the first place.

You won't have a pleasant experience on any virtualized platform without
some sort of guest extensions/additions.  The guests have no way of
recognizing the underlying virtualized hardware without
extensions/additions.  I'm not sure how Qemu handles things... but I
can't imagine that they know something that VMWare or VBox don't.

> > > 3. Communication with the guest (probably applies to all Windows guests,
> > > maybe linux guest as well).
> > >
> > > The default networking mode is good for surfing in the guest, little
> > > more. (Qemu provides simpler host-like networking, however, I have not
> > > tried using this for "communication" because) Qemus's raw images can
> > > easily be loop-mounted with a 32k offset yielding a file system with
> > > which one can do as one pleases. One can, of course, convert the VDI to
> > > DD, place or transfer files, the convert back. Must be a better way :-)
> >
> > VBox probably wasn't designed to do some of those things, perhaps.  I've
> > found VBox's guest networking to be quite configurable.  Read the user
> > manual for more info.
> >
> > > Some questions would be: How to get Samba working in windows guests?
> >
> > Not enough info to answer that question.  Do you want to install samba
> > on the host and access shares from within a Windows guest?  Or do you
> > perhaps want to SMB share a folder in the Windows guest and mount it on
> > the host?  What's your host OS?
>  Samba is running on the Debian host. So I guess I want it to be able to 
> access directories in the guest.

You will need to setup File sharing on the guest, BUT you will also need
to change the VBox guest networking and not use the default NATed
networking setup.  The NAT pretty much seals off the guest, I don't
think sharing is possible using NAT.


> > > How to get full host networking in distros that do not have all the
> > > "tools" cited in the (farely difficult) instructions? Printing (Qemu
> > > provides an lp1 but I have not tried it)?
> >
> > I print from a VBox guest to a network shared printer, as well as
> > directly to other network printers.  Are you trying to print from the
> > guest to a printer attached to the host?  If so, what kind of printer
> > and how is it attached to the host?  USB?  LTPx?  Serial?   Again, more
> > info will help in getting you correct answers.
> My printer is on lpt. Of course, it would be going throught the host's CUPS. 
> So to what device would I print from a windows guest? (Or is this inside the 
> guest additions as well?) Lpt will not install on windows guest.

Try network sharing your host LPT via Samba, then map it to a printer
inside your Windows guest.

-Jim P.

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