On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 19:50 +0000, Armindo Silva wrote:

> 
> Yes they can, you just need to disable kvm to load on boot. 

Which you do how on a stock Ubuntu system (no cheating and going and
manually removing files, etc. after installing the kvm package)?

And once disabled, how do I run kvm when I want to?  And how do I clean
up after running kvm so that I can run VirtualBox again?

> I do understand. Yes, the machine where I run both is my workstation.
> I am a sys admin myself and before I install a piece of software on
> some server I do lots of testing, I dont just go and do and apt-get
> install on a live machine.

That's really a red-herring.  So let's say I do all my testing and I
come the conclusion (that I already have,) that I cannot have kvm
installed (and enabled -- and if not enabled, what's the point?) and
VirtualBox installed at the same time?  What do I do?  I don't install
kvm on the live environment.  Why not save the admin all that work and
just have apt tell him about this up front?

> So if your sys admin installed both and expects everything to work is
> because he/she didn't do some testing.

I am the sysadmin.  My point is that in testing, I have come to this
conclusion.  Why did I have to waste my time discovering this when apt
could have just told me?

You seem to be missing my main point here and that's having everything
working "out of the box" (for a regular user).  Right now, with kvm and
virtualbox, this is not the case.

Anyway.  I've about said my piece on this.  It seems that even Frank
disagrees with having virtualbox Just Work(tm) "out of the box" (for a
given configuration) so I'm just wasting my time.

No hard feelings.  I made a suggestion and it was rejected.  No biggie.

b.

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