On 09/04/2012 03:39 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
On 09/04/2012 10:14 AM, Dan Yasny wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Xu He Jie" <x...@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: "Dan Kenigsberg" <dan...@redhat.com>
Cc: "VDSM Project Development" <vdsm-devel@lists.fedorahosted.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 4 September, 2012 10:05:37 AM
Subject: Re: [vdsm] [RFC]about the implement of text-based console

On 09/03/2012 10:33 PM, Dan Kenigsberg wrote:
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 04:26:31PM -0500, Adam Litke wrote:
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:32:02AM +0800, Xu He Jie wrote:

    I submited a patch for text-based console

the issue I want to discussing as below:
1. fix port VS dynamic port

Use fix port for all VM's console. connect console with 'ssh
vmUUID@ip -p port'.
Distinguishing VM by vmUUID.

    The current implement was vdsm will allocated port for console
dynamically and spawn sub-process when VM creating.
In sub-process the main thread responsible for accept new
and dispatch output of console to each connection.
When new connection is coming, main processing create new thread
each new connection. Dynamic port will allocated
port for each VM and use range port. It isn't good for firewall

    so I got a suggestion that use fix port. and connect console
'ssh vmuuid@hostip -p fixport'. this is simple for user.
We need one process for accept new connection from fix port and
new connection is coming, spawn sub-process for each vm.
But because the console only can open by one process, main
need responsible for dispatching console's output of all vms and
So the code will be a little complex then dynamic port.

    So this is dynamic port VS fix port and simple code VS complex
>From a usability point of view, I think the fixed port suggestion
is nicer.
This means that a system administrator needs only to open one port
to enable
remote console access.  If your initial implementation limits
console access to
one connection per VM would that simplify the code?
Yes, using a fixed port for all consoles of all VMs seems like a
idea. Besides the firewall issue, there's user experience: instead
calling getVmStats to tell the vm port, and then use ssh, only one
call is needed. (Taking this one step further - it would make sense
add another layer on top, directing console clients to the specific
currently running the Vm.)

I did not take a close look at your implementation, and did not
this myself, but have you considered using sshd for this? I suppose
can configure sshd to collect the list of known "users" from
`getAllVmStats`, and force it to run a command that redirects VM's
console to the ssh client. It has a potential of being a more
I have considered using sshd and ssh tunnel. They
can't implement fixed port and share console. Current implement
we can do anything that what we want.

We may want to start thinking about migration. It would be great if
could have a smart console client that connects to the source and
destination consoles, and moves to the destination on-line, without
loosing a character.
This is interesting. My first thinking is it's easy implement at
side. I think we will implement ssh client in webbrowser. Engine will
know the vm was migrated. Engine can tell client reconnect console to
another host.  I will try to think about is there any better idea.

If we implement this in a web client, we lose the use case of people without a GUI, who really have to use the serial text consoles.

If we really need a separate console for every VM, how about we keep a console server as a VM in the system, and that console server will be running sshd, with an open session to every VM. And in order to connect to a VMs serial console, we will actually ssh to this console server VM as a certain console user.

The way I see this is once a VM gets started, the console server will create a user/passwd for that VM, and once someone opens an ssh session to the console server as this user, it will automatically connect the ssh session to the console on whatever host the target VM is running on. When the VM stops, the user can be removed.

i'm less concerned by single or multiple ports, since we already do multiple ports for vnc/spice. the main question to me is can we easily frontend the serial of the VM by an ssh server authenticating based on the SetVmTicket flow (which qemu doesn't support).
(well, unless qemu adds builtin ssh support to the serial port)

yes, that is what I try to do, Both of single and multiple port can based on setVmTicket flow.

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