----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shu Ming" <shum...@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> To: "Deepak C Shetty" <deepa...@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> Cc: "Saggi Mizrahi" <smizr...@redhat.com>, "engine-devel"
> <engine-de...@ovirt.org>, "VDSM Project Development"
> <vdsm-devel@lists.fedorahosted.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 1:37:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [vdsm] RFC: New Storage API
>
> 于 2012-12-7 13:23, Deepak C Shetty:
> > On 12/06/2012 10:22 PM, Saggi Mizrahi wrote:
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Shu Ming" <shum...@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> >>> To: "Saggi Mizrahi" <smizr...@redhat.com>
> >>> Cc: "VDSM Project Development"
> >>> <vdsm-devel@lists.fedorahosted.org>,
> >>> "engine-devel" <engine-de...@ovirt.org>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:02:02 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [vdsm] RFC: New Storage API
> >>>
> >>> Saggi,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for sharing your thought and I get some comments below.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Saggi Mizrahi:
> >>>> I've been throwing a lot of bits out about the new storage API
> >>>> and
> >>>> I think it's time to talk a bit.
> >>>> I will purposefully try and keep implementation details away and
> >>>> concentrate about how the API looks and how you use it.
> >>>>
> >>>> First major change is in terminology, there is no long a storage
> >>>> domain but a storage repository.
> >>>> This change is done because so many things are already called
> >>>> domain in the system and this will make things less confusing
> >>>> for
> >>>> new-commers with a libvirt background.
> >>>>
> >>>> One other changes is that repositories no longer have a UUID.
> >>>> The UUID was only used in the pool members manifest and is no
> >>>> longer needed.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> connectStorageRepository(repoId, repoFormat,
> >>>> connectionParameters={}):
> >>>> repoId - is a transient name that will be used to refer to the
> >>>> connected domain, it is not persisted and doesn't have to be the
> >>>> same across the cluster.
> >>>> repoFormat - Similar to what used to be type (eg. localfs-1.0,
> >>>> nfs-3.4, clvm-1.2).
> >>>> connectionParameters - This is format specific and will used to
> >>>> tell VDSM how to connect to the repo.
> >>>
> >>> Where does repoID come from? I think repoID doesn't exist before
> >>> connectStorageRepository() return. Isn't repoID a return value
> >>> of
> >>> connectStorageRepository()?
> >> No, repoIDs are no longer part of the domain, they are just a
> >> transient handle.
> >> The user can put whatever it wants there as long as it isn't
> >> already
> >> taken by another currently connected domain.
> >
> > So what happens when user mistakenly gives a repoID that is in use
> > before.. there should be something in the return value that
> > specifies
> > the error and/or reason for error so that user can try with a
> > new/diff
> > repoID ?
>
> I think let the user to give the repoID is meaningless and
> error-prune.
The repo ID is meaningless, it's just a handle to the instance.
It's never persisted to disk and doesn't have to be unique across the cluster.
> Developer must maintain a a unique ID list for every storage
> repository
> connected.
Why? You could just use repoId =
<progname>_<hostname>_<data_center>_<domain_number>
"ovirt_example.com_hosting_3" as an example
If you agree with all other users of the same VDSM instance that you are going
to use this scheme you can cooperate.
You can use whatever scheme you want to make sure you don't hit anyone else's.
The point is, VDSM doesn't care how you provision repoIDs and how unique they
are across the cluster.
It's the user's choice how and if to persist this information.
>
> >
> >>>> disconnectStorageRepository(self, repoId)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> In the new API there are only images, some images are mutable
> >>>> and
> >>>> some are not.
> >>>> mutable images are also called VirtualDisks
> >>>> immutable images are also called Snapshots
> >>>>
> >>>> There are no explicit templates, you can create as many images
> >>>> as
> >>>> you want from any snapshot.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are 4 major image operations:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> createVirtualDisk(targetRepoId, size, baseSnapshotId=None,
> >>>> userData={}, options={}):
> >>>>
> >>>> targetRepoId - ID of a connected repo where the disk will be
> >>>> created
> >>>> size - The size of the image you wish to create
> >>>> baseSnapshotId - the ID of the snapshot you want the base the
> >>>> new
> >>>> virtual disk on
> >>>> userData - optional data that will be attached to the new VD,
> >>>> could
> >>>> be anything that the user desires.
> >>>> options - options to modify VDSMs default behavior
> >
> > IIUC, i can use options to do storage offloads ? For eg. I can
> > create
> > a LUN that represents this VD on my storage array based on the
> > 'options' parameter ? Is this the intended way to use 'options' ?
> >
> >>>>
> >>>> returns the id of the new VD
> >>> I think we will also need a function to check if a a VirtualDisk
> >>> is
> >>> based on a specific snapshot.
> >>> Like: isSnapshotOf(virtualDiskId, baseSnapshotID):
> >> No, the design is that volume dependencies are an implementation
> >> detail.
> >> There is no reason for you to know that an image is physically a
> >> snapshot of another.
> >> Logical snapshots, template information, and any other information
> >> can be set by the user by using the userData field available for
> >> every image.
> >>>> createSnapshot(targetRepoId, baseVirtualDiskId,
> >>>> userData={}, options={}):
> >>>> targetRepoId - The ID of a connected repo where the new sanpshot
> >>>> will be created and the original image exists as well.
> >>>> size - The size of the image you wish to create
> >>>> baseVirtualDisk - the ID of a mutable image (Virtual Disk) you
> >>>> want
> >>>> to snapshot
> >>>> userData - optional data that will be attached to the new
> >>>> Snapshot,
> >>>> could be anything that the user desires.
> >>>> options - options to modify VDSMs default behavior
> >>>>
> >>>> returns the id of the new Snapshot
> >>>>
> >>>> copyImage(targetRepoId, imageId, baseImageId=None, userData={},
> >>>> options={})
> >>>> targetRepoId - The ID of a connected repo where the new image
> >>>> will
> >>>> be created
> >>>> imageId - The image you wish to copy
> >>>> baseImageId - if specified, the new image will contain only the
> >>>> diff between image and Id.
> >>>> If None the new image will contain all the bits
> >>>> of
> >>>> image Id. This can be used to copy partial parts
> >>>> of
> >>>> images for export.
> >>>> userData - optional data that will be attached to the new image,
> >>>> could be anything that the user desires.
> >>>> options - options to modify VDSMs default behavior
> >>> Does this function mean that we can copy the image from one
> >>> repository
> >>> to another repository? Does it cover the semantics of storage
> >>> migration,
> >>> storage backup, storage incremental backup?
> >> Yes, the main purpose is copying to another repo. and you can even
> >> do
> >> incremental backups.
> >> Also the following flow
> >> 1. Run a VM using imageA
> >> 2. write to disk
> >> 3. Stop VM
> >> 4. copy imageA to repoB
> >> 5. Run a VM using imageA again
> >> 6. Write to disk
> >> 7. Stop VM
> >> 8. Copy imageA again basing it of imageA_copy1 on repoB creating a
> >> diff on repo diff without snapshotting the original image.
> >>>> return the Id of the new image. In case of copying an immutable
> >>>> image the ID will be identical to the original image as they
> >>>> contain the same data. However the user should not assume that
> >>>> and
> >>>> always use the value returned from the method.
> Do you mean the ID returned by copyImage() will be the same as the
> origin ID? It is okay for copying to a different repository than the
> original repository because they have different namespace. However,
> if
> we do the copy inside in the same repository, we should get a new
> different ID.
As I said, copying immutable objects in the same repo doesn't work.
>
>
> >>>>
> >>>> removeImage(repositoryId, imageId, options={}):
> >>>> repositoryId - The ID of a connected repo where the image to
> >>>> delete
> >>>> resides
> >>>> imageId - The id of the image you wish to delete.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----
> >>>> getImageStatus(repositoryId, imageId)
> >>>> repositoryId - The ID of a connected repo where the image to
> >>>> check
> >>>> resides
> >>>> imageId - The id of the image you wish to check.
> >>>>
> >>>> All operations return once the operations has been committed to
> >>>> disk NOT when the operation actually completes.
> >>>> This is done so that:
> >>>> - operation come to a stable state as quickly as possible.
> >>>> - In case where there is an SDM, only small portion of the
> >>>> operation actually needs to be performed on the SDM host.
> >>>> - No matter how many times the operation fails and on how many
> >>>> hosts, you can always resume the operation and choose when to do
> >>>> it.
> >>>> - You can stop an operation at any time and remove the resulting
> >>>> object making a distinction between "stop because the host is
> >>>> overloaded" to "I don't want that image"
> >>>>
> >>>> This means that after calling any operation that creates a new
> >>>> image the user must then call getImageStatus() to check what is
> >>>> the status of the image.
> >>>> The status of the image can be either optimized, degraded, or
> >>>> broken.
> >>>> "Optimized" means that the image is available and you can run
> >>>> VMs
> >>>> of it.
> >>>> "Degraded" means that the image is available and will run VMs
> >>>> but
> >>>> it might be a better way VDSM can represent the underlying data.
> >
> > Calling qcow2 based snapshot degraded (meaning its degraded in
> > perf,
> > as its space optimzed ) and calling raw images as optimised (
> > meaning
> > its optimised for perf as its space in-efficient) is confusing.
> > Degraded sounds like a bad thing when seen by the end-user :) I
> > think
> > there is scope for having some better and less confusing
> > terminology
> > here ?
> >
> >>> What does the "represent" mean here?
> >> Anything, but mostly image formate RAW\QCOW2 when performance
> >> strategy has been selected.
> >>>> "Broken" means that the image can't be used at the moment,
> >>>> probably
> >>>> because not all the data has been set up on the volume.
> >>>>
> >>>> Apart from that VDSM will also return the last persisted status
> >>>> information which will conatin
> >>>> hostID - the last host to try and optimize of fix the image
> >>> Any host can optimize the image? No need to be SDM?
> >> On anything but lvm based block domains there will not even be an
> >> SDM.
> >> On SDM based domains we will try as hard as we can to have as many
> >> operations executable on any host.
> >
> > 1) Can you provide more info on why there is a exception for 'lvm
> > based block domain'. Its not coming out clearly.
>
> I guess Saggi means we can leverage CLVM to build a cluster based LVM
> group and no need to have SDM. If I understand correctly, in this
> proposal, we manage different types of the repositories at the same
> type, say, one localFS repository, one iSCSI repository, one nfs
> repository at the same time, also the images can be copied to each
> other
> back and forth. When you copy a image from repository without SDM to
> a
> repository with SDM, we should use the later SDM to execute the copy
> operation.
>
> > 2) Based on the terminology change, domain is now replaced by
> > repository, SDM should now be more aptly called SRM (storage repo
> > manager) so that we are consistent in the usage of terminology
> > 3) Can you provide some example flow / scenario to understnad how
> > with
> > and without SDM domains work ? Especially how the disk based lock
> > is
> > taken if no SDM ?
> >
> >>>> stage - X/Y (eg. 1/10) the last persisted stage of the fix.
> >>>> percent_complete - -1 or 0-100, the last persisted completion
> >>>> percentage of the aforementioned stage. -1 means that no
> >>>> progress
> >>>> is available for that operation.
> >>>> last_error - This will only be filled if the operation failed
> >>>> because of something other then IO or a VDSM crash for obvious
> >>>> reasons.
> >>>> It will usually be set if the task was manually
> >>>> stopped
> >>>>
> >>>> The user can either be satisfied with that information or as the
> >>>> host specified in host ID if it is still working on that image
> >>>> by
> >>>> checking it's running tasks.
> >>> So we need a function to know what tasks are running on the image
> >> getImageStatus()
> >>>> checkStorageRepository(self, repositoryId, options={}):
> >>>> A method to go over a storage repository and scan for any
> >>>> existing
> >>>> problems. This includes degraded\broken images and deleted
> >>>> images
> >>>> that have no yet been physically deleted\merged.
> >>>> It returns a list of Fix objects.
> >>>> Fix objects come in 4 types:
> >>>> clean - cleans data, run them to get more space.
> >>>> optimize - run them to optimize a degraded image
> >>>> merge - Merges two images together. Doing this sometimes
> >>>> makes more images ready optimizing or cleaning.
> >>>> The reason it is different from optimize is that
> >>>> unmerged images are considered optimized.
> >>>> mend - mends a broken image
>
> What is a broken image? Does broken mean corruption? If it is
> corruption, we may need some recoverable checksum for each image.
>
> >>>>
> >>>> The user can read these types and prioritize fixes. Fixes also
> >>>> contain opaque FIX data and they should be sent as received to
> >>>> fixStorageRepository(self, repositoryId, fix, options={}):
> >>>>
> >>>> That will start a fix operation.
> >
> > It would be good if you can provide some example or flow of "fix"
> > operation.
> > When and Why would somebody want to do it ?
> >
> > Does 'Fix' here mean that i move from raw to qcow2 format or
> > vice-versa, or there is more to it ?
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> All major operations automatically start the appropriate "Fix"
> >>>> to
> >>>> bring the created object to an optimize\degraded state (the one
> >>>> that is quicker) unless one of the options is
> >>>> AutoFix=False. This is only useful for repos that might not be
> >>>> able
> >>>> to create volumes on all hosts (SDM) but would like to have the
> >>>> actual IO distributed in the cluster.
> >>>>
> >>>> Other common options is the strategy option:
> >>>> It has currently 2 possible values
> >>>> space and performance - In case VDSM has 2 ways of completing
> >>>> the
> >>>> same operation it will tell it to value one over the other. For
> >>>> example, whether to copy all the data or just create a qcow
> >>>> based
> >>>> of a snapshot.
> >>>> The default is space.
> >>>>
> >>>> You might have also noticed that it is never explicitly
> >>>> specified
> >>>> where to look for existing images. This is done purposefully,
> >>>> VDSM
> >>>> will always look in all connected repositories for existing
> >>>> objects.
> >>>> For very large setups this might be problematic. To mitigate the
> >>>> problem you have these options:
> >>>> participatingRepositories=[repoId, ...] which tell VDSM to
> >>>> narrow
> >>>> the search to just these repositories
> >>>> and
> >>>> imageHints={imgId: repoId} which will force VDSM to look for
> >>>> those
> >>>> image ID just in those repositories and fail if it doesn't find
> >>>> them there.
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>
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> >>> Open Virtualization Engineerning; CSTL, IBM Corp.
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> >>> or
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