Re: Midline guidelines from AVA roundtable

[Gwen Irwin]

Randy,
I hear you about midlines being a viable choice for venous access.  I too 
believe that midlines have a place in our assessment of the patient that 
needs venous access.  I have a midline study approved by our IRB, but am 
unable to do the study, due to staffing and the manpower to complete it.  I 
have tried for 3 years to complete it without success.  Currently, we are 
not doing midlines.  That doesn't change my mind that they are a viable 
option.

I have to challenge you to provide all of us that don't use midlines to SHOW 
US THE DATA!  If you have thousands without complications, please share the 
data.  Please publish your outcomes.  Don't defend their use, prove that 
they are an option!  Outcomes that you are supporting would be the change 
factor of current INS standards about midlines.

I would love to see this information!

Gwen Irwin
Austin, Texas

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Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 6:32 PM
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BS and Poppycock...........................
Tired of you people that continually make those that use Midlines feel 
that they are bad practitioners.

OK,  Put your money where your mouths are........   Show us how many 
Midlines you have placed....  How many you have had that have had 
complications.... and then show us your PICC Stats as well.  Show us.  I 
have seen thousands of Midlines go a month without complication.  Give me 
a reason to cross over!!!
Give me a reason to stop defending their use!!!!!  And give me your 
proof.....
Not some article based on Bias.  An article not written by someone 
associated with a particular Company such as Navigator or Sherlock that 
wants every line placed to be a PICC so that they hawk their wares.  Show 
me!!!!!!!

Show me your Data!!!!!  And I will stop arguing for Midlines.  I know the 
Standards so please don't send me those.

You everloving Lightning rod.
Randy

PS.  Alma sorry that it was your email responded too.  No offense to you.

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From: "Alma Kooistra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
We generally refrain from placing a midline in anyone who has a potential 
of
 >1 week of IV therapy, no matter how benign the infusate.  Personally, I
think that anyone sick enough to need access >1 week probably should have 
a
PICC.  That's pretty 'out there' I know, and that philosophy is not 
written
in policy at my facility.  I just think it makes good sense, and since I
insert nearly all of the lines it's pretty easy to enforce.

Alma Kooistra RN, CRNI




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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:31:44 -0400

Yes, I have seen the same thing.
Leigh Ann


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This is a little off the original subject, but I have not seen a midline
that has lasted the length of treatment yet.  Just yesterday, a patient 
came
to the ED with a midline that was placed 2 weeks ago.  It was leaking at 
the
insertion site.  I spoke with ID and they said he needed 10 more days of 
IV
antibiotics and no, we couldn't change him to PO.  Originally, I was 
talked
into the midline because they weren't sure if he needed 2-3 days or 2-3
weeks, with the promise from both the MD and the PA that if the treatment
lasted 2 weeks, the patient would be readmitted.  Being the patient 
advocate
I am, I opted for a midline.
Long story short, I ended up putting a PICC in him yesterday in the ED.
This just reconfirms my belief that midlines are relatively useless 
except
maybe in CMO cases.  Almost every midline I've inserted for home care has
come back through the ED for replacement.  Does anyone else feel the same
way or have the same experience?
Not trying to start an argument, just wondering if anyone else is having 
the
same results with midlines as me.

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From: Chris Cavanaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 6:54:25 AM
Subject: Midline guidelines from AVA roundtable


For those who could not open the original document posted, here is one as 
a
word document.  Thanks

Chris Cavanaugh, CRNI
3606 Molona Dr.
Orlando, FL 32837
407-928-9297

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