I'm not sure we're talking about the same weave here anymore. I thought 'Aaaah... with a Norvise maybe' (which offers more space under the hook than a bobbin cradle does). So I tried "simulating" a Norvise setup using two vises... the second one closer to me, just holding the thread. But it still doesn't work. You get to Step 4 (on my SBS)... but when you then, on Step 5, are to lay back the right hand strand over the hook, you have to go with your right hand between your left and the hook. You can't go with your right hand over the hook and under your left here, because there you will have the thread closing the door. On the Step 5 picture, it would be like closing the way between the hook eye and the bottom of the picture... which needs to be open for your right hand to get that strand over the hook, but under the left hand strand. I just can't see a way to get around this without letting go of the strands. This is just like wrapping a material having a waiting thread in front of it... with the bobbin hanging under the hook. It can be done because you still can get your hand between the bobbin and the table. But when hanging it up (on Norvise rod or regular bobbin cradle), the "one hand wrapping" doesn't work anymore, since the hook eye technically has been connected to the back of the hook (through thread, rod, bench, vise). Using this weave with a bobbin hanging under the hook is very uncomfortable, but still possible. But when the door between the hook eye and the hook bend is closed, then it's impossible without having to let go of materials during the weaving process. At least this is what I have come up with after experimenting now... /Nick
-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] För J Balmer Skickat: den 13 februari 2009 00:35 Till: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Ämne: [VFB] Re: Step-by-steps... comments? The Nor Vise has a vertical rod opposite the vise jaws w/ a button on the side. When you hang the bobbin over the button, the thread is straight out from the hook, leaving both hands free to manipulate material. Also makes dubbing easy, because you spin the vise head. For your weaving process, all I have to do is turn the pedestal that the vise is on sideways. J _____ From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Niclas Runarsson Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:46 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] Step-by-steps... comments? If you mean hanging it up using the bobbin cradle, then the cradle's horizontal part under the jaws, will block the way completely and you won't be able to get any material under the hook. /Nick -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] För J Balmer Skickat: den 12 februari 2009 16:51 Till: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Ämne: [VFB] Re: Step-by-steps... comments? Don't have the bobbin hanging directly below the hook, have the thread straight out from the hook similar to the way the Nor vise is setup, w/ the bobbin closer to your chest instead of off to the right. It might be a little more awkward, but it would make finishing the weave easier. Think of it as though the hook shank extended out beyond the eye; you're crossing under the thread the same way you're already crossing under the hook. J _____ From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Niclas (Gmail) Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:30 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] Re: Step-by-steps... comments? Not sure if I got you right there, but if you mean having the thread tied in during the weaving process, this is hard... since one hand will be moving back and forth under the hook and the bobbin will be hanging in the way. Holding both strands in one hand and wrapping with the other when securing it, is on the other hand nothing different from what I mean... once the thread has been tied in again. /Nick On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 3:14 PM, J Balmer <jbal...@a5.com> wrote: I liked both, the parallel weave in particular. One way to solve the end of weave process is to have the thread tied in where you end ahead of time, hold both strands of woven material in one hand & wrap thread w/ the other. As to the touch dubbing, I'll try it on smaller hooks. Not sure why, but I've gotten away from waxing thread when dubbing. This would save some time. J _____ From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Niclas Runarsson Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:23 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] Step-by-steps... comments? I have made two technique step-by-steps, Parallel Weave and Touchdubbing. It's online but has not been linked to from the main site yet. I thought I would "fish" some on the list first (and with 'fish', I don't mean just from you, Allan). Anyone having any comments on them? http://www.swedneckflyfishing.com/parallelweave_steps.htm http://www.swedneckflyfishing.com/touchdubbing_steps.htm /Nick --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---