My two cents:

His comment doesn't make any sense.

1.   He says "during the time period (past two decades) we have a proliferation 
in new tying materials...".
2.   But then he says "Truth to be told there seems to be little that is truly 
new in the fly tying world."

        So which is it?  Since there are many new materials, like foam and 
synthetics, there must also be new techniques for applying these to hooks.  
There are new books, DVDs, PATTERNS, AND techniques.

Foam patterns are very productive, and it would be a stretch to say a foam 
hopper is a "recycled variation or modification using new materials on an old, 
forgotten fly."  That's rediculous.  Braided body materials have sparked 
hundreds of new patterns.  

I know tiers who feel this way.  They never create anything new, so they refuse 
to see anything anyone else does as new.  They find the closest thing to 
compare it to, and call it a variation of that.  It becomes a matter of limited 
perspective rather than an actual fact.

I feel that I am a creative and innovative tier, but I rely on the biggest 
names in the business for 2nd-hand verification of that.  I, on the other hand, 
am continually amazed by the new things great tiers dream up.  The level of 
artistry in realistic tying right now is incredible.  Check Paul Whillock's 
site. 

YES, there are many times when a tier THINKS he has a new fly, pattern, 
technique, or material, and then can be shown something that makes his an 
identical - even if not intentional.  The fly-tying industry right now is so 
huge that one cannot research all of the patterns in the world before claiming 
something is 'new'.  In many cases patterns resemble well-known originals many 
decades old.  Others resemble later patterns that other tiers have published 
that are not very well known. 

The drive right now is to call everything you tie by your name.  Everyone wants 
their name on the books.  Did 'Dave's Hopper' start all this?  I can't remember 
too many flies earlier that had the tier's name.

This is where the problems start.  Who developed the coachman?  Are you sure?  
When did it become a royal coachman, a leadwing coachman, a fanwing coachman, a 
then a (whoops) Royal Wulff?  If the original tier wrapped a body in peacock, 
is every peacock fly a copy or variation of that fly?  If I sub. peacock ice 
dub for peacock, is that still only a peacock variation?  What if I use black 
ice dub.  Is that just a variation  now, or is it a black gnat?  Color changed 
it?  Why not the synthetic as a changer?  What about a Royal Wulff with poly 
wings?  Is that still a Royal Wulff, since Lee only made a change from white 
feather fanwings to white calf-tail to call it a Royal Wulff?  Can I call my 
Winger Adams a 'Don's Adams' like Lee Wulff changed the Royal Fanwing Coachman 
by just changing the wing material?  (Maybe there was a tier named Royal 
Fanwing. No Buggs, there wasn't.  And nooo, we can't call a green Adams a Don's 
Adams-apple!)

I have had many 'amused' self-appointed masters approach my tying table tell me 
that there's nothing new, especially in techniques.  And them I rope-dub them a 
20-second fly and change their minds.  And then I show them the 'Baits Hotel', 
and they learn what new thinking is all about.

Maybe some day someone will show and prove to me that the rope-dub technique 
has been used by others.  I checked for 8 years and no one could produce 
anything.   I will then humbly admit that we share the same technique. (It is 
not Polly's technique, which some mistakenly apply to it-  but I have his book, 
and it's not the same.)  I was definitely not taught it and did not read about 
it, and no one else has seen or read about it either, and no patterns exist 
that I have been able to find.  So if someone has thought of it, they didn't 
extend it into all of the sub-techniques either.

So yes, it does sometimes happen that a fly pattern or technique has ben done 
before.  But if one believes that NO pattern or technique is new, then that 
person needs to get (his head) out and see a little more.

Off my soapbox...

DonO  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jimmy D. Moore 
  To: Virtual Fly Box ; Fly Fishing World ; Hill oountry Fly Fishers 
  Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 8:41 AM
  Subject: [VFB] QUOTE FOR THE DAY


  "During the past two decades we have seen an explosion in the popularity of 
fly fishing. Thousands of new fly fishermen, and women, have embraced the sport 
and taken up fly tying as a part of it. During this same period we have had a 
proliferation in new tying materials; and new magazine abound espousing and 
rehashing the many nuances of tying. After fifty plus years of fly tying, I am 
always amused by tyers who purport to have discovered a brand new technique. 
Truth to be told there seems to be little hat is truly new in the fly tying 
world. Claims of hot new patterns consistently appear that are nothing more 
than recycled variations or modifications using new materials on an old, 
forgotten fly."   ( AIN'T IT THE TRUTH !  I've run into that a few times when I 
tho't I'd invented a new fly. 

  "Tying Flies The Paraloop Way" Ian Moutter 




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JIMMY D. MOORE, ARS WB5RHT,author Moon Holler Misfits 
Fishing & Hunting Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe 
River Trout Unlimited,   North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus,
Texas Fish & Game Magazine, VFB & FFW Moderator, Scout 
Exec. BSA, Retired, http://bigtroutman.tripod.com/index.html                    
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