thanks so much.  I loved Denny's hackle but can't remember the fellow who
bought him out. As I need colors, I just tried Collins hackle.  The
terribly dyed Whiting hackle will be in the mail back to the UK as soon as
I can send it Tuesday.  This color debaucle was really off-putting for me
on Whiting hackle.

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Pete Gramp <[email protected]> wrote:

> I used to like Denny Conrad's hackle, not sure if the company he sold to
> is doing the same quality - just haven't looked into it, honestly.  I
> recently got two capes and two saddles from Collins Hackle farms, grade 3
> but ties 10 to 18 for capes and 12 to 16s for saddle, the whole lot of it,
> all 4 items, were 60 bucks (plus whatever trivial amount postage was).  A
> note, though, he doesn't wash the feathers.  He claims it retains the oils,
> which is good, true, but it also doesn't clean off the, well pardon my
> language but, chicken umm "waste".  I think that's the most politically
> correct way to word it?  Excellent, beautiful colors, high barb count,
> sturdy yet thin stemmed, some of the best hackle I've worked with
> honestly.  Can't praise his hackle enough.
> When I went to order, I called him, spoke to him personally, had all
> intentions of buying a grade 1, he said don't waste your money get 2 grade
> 3's, they'll tie the sizes I want in the same quality, I just won't get 20s
> and smaller.  He helped me select the color, asked what look I wanted for
> the flies, etc, gave me some background on the hackle itself - very
> knowledgeable guy, willing to share but isn't cocky or shoving info down
> your throat or a "used car salesman" type.  Honest guy, wanting to please
> his customer.  I couldn't praise him more, and will be back as soon as I
> save up (admittedly will be a while) for another cape-and-free-saddle combo.
> Just my 2 cents worth, I'm sure there are plenty of other fine hackle
> suppliers out there but Collins is my new personal favorite.
> -Pete
>
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Joyce M Westphal <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your reply.  I will no longer buy any hackle I can't hold in
>> my hand and see with my own eyes.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 8:25 AM, J Balmer <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I can’t answer that question, but because of a couple issues in the past
>>> (& the fact that I only tie for me, two or three friends & the occasional
>>> swap) I only buy what I can hold in my hand or from people I truly trust.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Joyce M Westphal
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 3, 2016 8:14 AM
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>> *Subject:* [VFB] re: Whiting hackle bad colors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I just got an order of Whiting rooster saddles from Lakeland Flytying in
>>> the UK>  These were to be black/claret dyed, fiery brown and lake olive. I
>>> was amazed at how bad the colors were. The black claret has no claret, just
>>> straight purple on the black. The fiery brown has no brown, rather a
>>> red/orange color, and the lake olive is yellow gold, no green in the mix. I
>>> have compared this hackle color with the same hackle colors that I  had  on
>>> thiss colored hackle from Whiting before, This dye job must have been done
>>> by someone who is color blind.  I am wondering, does Whiting do the dying
>>> or is this bad color job done by Lakeland flytying? I would appreciate any
>>> input at all. This has really put me off on Whiting dyed rooster saddles.
>>> Joyce
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