Thom, Thanks for your reply. I would love to see that article you were talking about.. It makes sense, although hook and fish size make also apply here. Something I will have to look into more. I can say that in five years of using cirle hooks I have not had a fish hook in such as way that would hurt it in the long run. This includes salt water patterns tied hook up. I have not tried tying and salt patterns yet. So will have to see. Tight lines and fair winds,
John >From: "Thom Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [VFB] ouch! and a warning(unbroken circle) >Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:48:40 -0500 > >Bruce & John - > >My problem(personal) with circle hooks is simply that they work too good! >Actually, with a strong set and strain(either you or the fish) you can get >a >very DEEP set: a set that increases the possibility that if the line breaks >off the fish cannot extrapolate the hook in a timely fashion. If I depended >on fish for nourishment, circle hooks would be great!!! > >However, I don't tie flies that ride hook up, because they can penetrate >sinus cavities, eyes, and/or brains. There was a wonderful article in a >magazine you would all know by a DVM a few years ago(that I recently threw >away) delineating the anatomical and physiological reasons a fish feels >"no >pain" when hooked in the lower jaw. Doesn't say much about whatever >cognitive activity goes on(if a fish can decide whether or not to strike it >can THINK and experience the ramifications of that thought). > >If you look at the geometry and the geometric-physics of the circle hook, >you will immediately see its steely efficiency. For me, personal >preference, >there is just too much risk in the hook being permanently lodge and the >invitation for infection invited. That's all. > >Thanks for the query and the opportunity to express my opinion. Please feel >free to respond on vfb or personally; I am always more than willing to >learn >and discern the misguided ways of my thinking!!!!!! > >Thom >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bruce P. Whittle, DVM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:51 PM >Subject: Re: [VFB] ouch! and a warning > > > > Thom, > > Why did you say to abstain from circles? I have no experience with them > > but thought they were supposed to be less problematic because they are >much > > less likely to hook deep. Just wondering, not trying to start an >argument > > ;>) > > Bruce > > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Thom Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [VFB] ouch! and a warning > > > Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 3:52 PM > > > > > > Well stated, Greg. Nor does it hurt to try and remain mindful of the >fact > > > that while we are standing waist deep in a river having the time of >our > > > life, there is another, equally sentient, living, thriving, creature >at > > the > > > other end of our line who is fighting for his life. The fish don't >know > > > we're "just joking." Someone forgot to tell them. Another reason to > > abstain > > > from barbs, trebles, and circles. > > > > > > Thom > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Greg DiMedio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 3:11 PM > > > Subject: Re: [VFB] ouch! and a warning > > > > > > > > > > I also have fished with guy who uses powerbait. It is a nasty > > technique, > > > > from what I can tell. > > > > > > > > He dead drifts the powerbait along the stream bottom in moving water > > and > > > > waits for the trout to take it. A majority of the time, the trout > > swallow > > > > it, and he has to cut off the line, leaving the toxic mess and >treble > > hook > > > > inside. He admits that a number of fish die from the > > swallowing/fight/hook > > > > damage. > > > > > > > > There has been a lot about ethics on this list; all I know is that >if > > we > > > > look at ethics with a broader view of angling, fly fishermen should >be > > > more > > > > tolerant of each other's views and opinions. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
