I think there really is "nothing new under the sun. Countless times, I have been sitting at my vise messing around with a "new pattern", only to find it later in a pattern book or on a website somewhere.

At least when that happens, you have an indication that you are at least thinking in the right direction.

- Gary

At 02:08 PM 12/30/2002, you wrote:
Bob VanAmburg wrote...

"after reading that article about the Peabody fly
 that Capt. Roger guy Claims
 to have invented...(It's a Bloody Peacock & Brown
Soft hackle!!!!!!!!)"

This awareness is what will put an end to all the false claims of
'originality'.
Feedback from readers to the rag- I mean mag- will force them to validate
the
claim - or rescind it.  Their reputation is what's at stake, if you make
that so.

Even with all of the 'Off the wall' stuff I do, I still never claim
originality,
although people sometimes affix that to some things I do.
(So, if they haven't seen it before, it really is 'original' to them, isn't
it?)
If the 'art of extremism' is just taking known things to an extreme, so
is that something new?  "Eye-of-the-beholder" may come into play here.

Is a size 32 Royal Coachman "new" or "original".  Yes and no.  There is a
Royal Coachman fly, but tied on a 32?  Is it new, or just extreme?  There
are a half-dozen 'innovations' I've come up with to do them, but what is
really 'new'?  Maybe someone else did it -or does it- too.

Same with a 19/0 muddler.  Known fly, extreme tie.

Are my "Flex-o" flies "new", or just extreme versions of predecessors?
Are my 22" long marlin flies "new", or just extreme versions of deceivers?
Am I the first to ever tie a beaver?  or a Platypus?  I'll never really
know.  Who cares?  They're fun anyway!  'Terribly wounded minnow' gets a lot
of laughs.  Is it new?  Who cares?
Saber-toothed rat...new or a variation of a mouse pattern?  Who cares?  Not
me.

We can go back to the thread of 'variations on a theme', but is a variation
of a fly a new fly?

There are at least a half-dozen people out there claiming to have invented
the humpy and the muddler.  Really, only God could know for sure if a person
was the first 'chronologically' to apply a certain technique to a hook.  But
we can know if a technique had a 'predecessor', especially if it is in
print.  But we still can't know if that one was the first, either.

Easier put- we can know if it's a 2nd, but we really can't know if it's a
1st.

And any claim is valid until someone disputes it successfully.  So, just for
instance if  'Capt. So&so'  is 90 years old and says he invented the brown
hackle peacock in 1930, who is there to disprove him, other than a published
work prior to his claim?

Since it's very hard in our field to sign and date our work, other than by
pictorally publishing it, it is also hard to prove inventorship.
Co-inventorship is very common- two minds coming up with the same idea.
Happens all the time.  Was there a third- before them? A 4th?

That unknown always makes it difficult to claim originality.

Just my musings and ramblings over lunch...for what they're worth.
DonO



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