Pete,
When you SHOP for goose biots, consider the following:

1.  Goose biots are taken from the lead edge of the first 4 or 5 wing tip
flight feathers.

2.  The first one, the lead feather, has the best quality and toughest
biots. You'll recognize this feather, as the quills are very compressed
against the barb on the lead edge.  As you move to secondaries, the lead
edge of the feather gets wider, and the biots are not as stiff or as tough.

3.  The rest are useable, but not as tough as the lead feather.  Also, the
cupping of the bottom of the barb is more pronounced in the secondaries, as
is the left/right root contour.

4.  Dying quality differs between distributers- some cook too hot and the
quills are brittle.  Check by knotting.

5.  Buy quills for the type fly you are tying.  If you buy whole stripped
biots, check each one for the type of feathers you desire by fanning it out,
just as you would a hackle.  For instance- if you're going to make stonefly
legs with knotted biots, pick though the stock in the color you want and
look for the longest and toughest biots.  Tail fibers and antenna.are made
from biots right at the tips, so get some feathers with long thin tips.
Your fly shop must allow you to open the bags to pick out the type you need,
or you're just taking a chance.

6.  The contour of the biots on a stripped quill change from the base to the
tips, and from the lead feather to the secondaries.  They are short and wide
at the base, and progress to long and narrow towards the tips. There are
lefts and rights, but it's hard to find L/R matches in store bags, and some
biots, especially on the outside third of the feather, are symetrical enough
that it doesn't matter, especially on the lead feather.

7.  If you're going to rib fly bodies with quills, I suggest turkey biots
instead of goose.

Hope this helps.
DonO



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Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:29 AM
Subject: [VFB] Regarding the Material Question


>
> Hey all,
>
> I asked, and oh did I receive... The "canadian goose" stuff mentioned
previously is just a fancy way of saying a goose biot that comes from a
canadian goose.  Now all i have to do is FIND a canadian goose who's willing
to part with some biots... LOL  I can't seem to find any sellers online, but
it looks similar to a "normal" goose biot, in my opinion - I may just use
that.
>
> Pete
>
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