Thanks for the info Don. If I ever get my hands on serious amounts of fur I will use this method for sorting. At the moment I am tying off 2 inch square patches. I always stack any hair that I cut off the strip before I tie in. After reading this thread I think I will try to just cut clean off the fluff at the butt and tie in. This might save me quite a bit of time when tying pike flies with large deer hair heads.
Thanks again all, Kev -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of DonO Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [VFB] Deer hair bundles- was tying deer hair- Tom The type of hair I use for bundles (for wings and tails) is different than the hair I use for stack-n'pak. I use a medium-dense hair for muddler collars (bundles too)(for spinning) and a stiff, non-spongy hair for tails and wing (bundles), as I don't want these to flare. I get the packing hair from the rump area of the deer, elk, moose, etc., and the tailing hair from the shoulders and hocks. I make each bundle about the thickness of my finger. Don't tie the bundling thread too tight, or you'll make the bundle flare like a dandelion. Use this opportunity to comb out any body down. Once these bundles are stacked with the tips even, using a deer hair stacker, I trim the butt ends so that they stand up just like little harvest bindles. The convenience is great for tying many similar flies or for tying on the road from a kit. One little baggie and I can have a half-dozen colors of deer, some moose, and some elk. I also do a few for caddis wings, hopper heads, muddler heads, humpies, etc. That way I have preselected the exact type of hair I need for a particular fly, but I don't have to allocate space to chunks of hide. And then the waste is practically nil until you discard the butts. DonO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin McClean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:46 AM Subject: RE: [VFB] tieing deer hair - Tom > Don, > > Are you laking the bundles out of cut off hair or hair that do not use in > the spinning process? > > Kev > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of DonO > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:49 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [VFB] tieing deer hair - Tom > > > This is how I use a stacker. I make up what I call 'harvest bundles' of > stacked deer hair of various colors, textures, densities, etc., made longer > than I will need. I tie them around the base with strong thread and toss > them into a small bin. Then when I need stacked deer for tails, wings, > muddler collars, hopper bullet heads, or whatever, all I have to do is grab > the appropriate bundle and clip the amount I need. These are very > convenient for travel kits. I also make up moose and elk bundles. > > DonO > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Spezio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 3:38 PM > Subject: Re: [VFB] tieing deer hair - Tom > > > > I misunderstood what you wanted to know. I don't use a stacker when > > spinning or stacking deer hair. Lift the bunch of hair vertical to the > > hide, clip off a bunch, clip the tips and tie in. I am always willing to > > learn something new. Why the Stacker, I want to know too. > > Tony > > > > BobH wrote: > > > > >That type of stacking I understand. It the use of a hair stacker that I > > >don't get. > > > > > >BobH > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >On Behalf Of Tony Spezio > > >Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 5:39 PM > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: [VFB] tieing deer hair - Tom > > > > > >That is the only way to get color separation from top to bottom. > > >Tony > > > > > >BobH wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Something I do not understand here guys. If you are spinning, stacking > > >>ect hair that is to be trimmed to a final shape, what is the point of > > >>stacking the hair? Shouldn't one be more concerned with how tightly > > >> > > >> > > >the > > > > > > > > >>hair is packed? > > >> > > >>BobH > > >> > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > >> > > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > >>On Behalf Of Martin Westbeek > > >>Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:24 PM > > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>Subject: Re: [VFB] tieing deer hair - Tom > > >> > > >>I like the Edgin stackers. If you're looking for an alternative to an > > >>official stacker, you may want to look for something that does not > > >> > > >> > > >build > > > > > > > > >>up static, as plastics do. Static is quite frustrating if you're tying > > >>with deer hair. I noticed that even wearing a fleece sweater can make > > >>stacking very hard to do. > > >>Martin > > >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:02 PM > > >>Subject: Re: [VFB] tieing deer hair - Tom > > >> > > >>you are SO right about alternatives...i did think about film cannisters > > >>but i thought they were too deep (but then a brain cramp....) Cut it > > >>down a bit....(slapping myself in the forehead....) i'm pretty good at > > >>finding things around the house and in my shed and pretty inventive to > > >>boot!! > > >> > > >>Tom-Vermont > > >> > > >>"I never go to rivers to kill hecatombs of trout or, actually any > > >> > > >> > > >trout; > > > > > > > > >>I go to unkill parts of me that otherwise might die.." 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