THANK YOU Jimi, mark......"Bingo"
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Subject: Re: [VFB] Re: presentation vs pattern- the great debate rages on...
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:58:08 -0700
Something I can actually debate on, (or is it De-Bait?).
A couple years ago, Theresa, Amanda and I were fishing a small stretch of
private water. The green sunfish and bass were not interested in anything we
threw at them. Finely I tried a Chartreuse woollies Bugger with a purple
tail. Third cast I had a 10" bass on. Next cast a green sunfish. We huddled
and that was the only fly like it in any of our boxes. "But", we did come up
with a yellow body with black tail and a Chartreuse with a black tail. We
all went back at it. I gave mine to Theresa and used the yellow/black
woollies. Second cast I had another little bass, Theresa and Amanda still
fishless. I was using a cast, sink, pull, sink, pull, pull sink retrieve.
Both Theresa and Amanda were doing a cast, sink, slow pull with no fish. I
showed them what I was doing and they both started to catch fish.
Presentation beat me, I wound up #3 on number of fish, but #1 with the smile
because both girls were laughing and having a blast. So in this case,
similar flies, same presentation = fish.
My 2 cents worth.
Jimi
OK, Time for more fuel on the fire. Presentation vs pattern. Let's hear it.
Where does pattern end and presentation begin? Obviously, the way one casts
and drifts a fly is thought of as presentation. But in a nice restaurant,
not only is the chef and his antourage the presentation of a great meal, but
so is the sprig of parsley or the orange peel on the side of the plate, and
too that little umbrella in your drink, and squirting the chocolate all over
the dish rather than on the ice cream. Presentation can be little, passive
things.
So...Is adding floatant presentation or pattern? Obviously, the pattern
didn't change, so it must be presentation. I've fished instances when the
trout would only take a high-floating dry fly up on the hackle tips, not one
in the surface film- at all. This presentation worked with many different
flies. So if your dry fly won't work without floatant, presentation is the
key, then the pattern.
Same with split shot- gotta be presentation, since the fly did not change. Bead-head? yes, pattern.
What about a parachute Adams? Turning the hackle sideways is a minor pattern change, but that presents the fly quite differently to the fish. Pattern or presentation or both? Now, clipping hackles off the bottom of the Adams to create a surface film fly...pattern or presentation?
Is adding floatant to a heavily weighted wet fly (for bubbles) pattern or presentation? Again, the pattern didn't change, but the presentation did- or did it?
As I mentioned before- the red butt markered on many different flies working
equally good on otherwise unproductive flies- pattern or presentation?
Did I muddy up the water enough? :o)
DonO
----- Original Message ----- From: "mark romero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:58 AM Subject: RE: [VFB] Re: presentation vs pattern/color
"only a certain fly will work." We > could do the same about presentation i'm sure.
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