Kevin, The top hairs will slide a little if you build the dcud-like underbody. The black underbody is the trick for getting the segments to stand out. If you use other material besides hair, you'll lose a lot of the effect.
Again, this belly-weave is different from the cross-weaves and square-knot weaves of the standard two-toned stonefly tails. Giver'r a try and let me know how you do. DonO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin W. Machon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Sandy Mite - good info, another question > Thanks for the info and help, Mark and DonO. > > Now what I'm wondering is does the hair or other wrapping material need to > allow the weaving to slide a little as you tighten it around the hair bunch? > I'm envisioning that squirrell, horsehair, elk mane, etc. that are smooth > and a bit slick would work better than peacock, wool, or other dubbing. > > Guess I'll have to give 'er a try and see what happens.....but the salmonfly > I'm picturing is closer to reality. > > Kev > > > >From: "DonO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [VFB] Sandy Mite - replies > >Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:35:06 -0800 > > > >Mark, > >Anything that is long, at least 4" (little flies could be shorter) can be > >used to weave, the length depending on size fly and # of weaves you need to > >make. The hair must not break as it's making the turns. Soaking it > >beforehand in conditioner helps. Take the number of hairs you need, lash > >them down, and tie the other ends in a knot. This makes the strand more > >manageable. I've used horse, PB, sheep, superhairs, synthetics, longhorn > >bull tail, yak, skunk-tail, elk-mane, and a few others. Varying the color > >tones of the hairs adds to the segmentation effects. Peacock does well > >with > >some weave styles, too. Havalina is stiff and brittle, but works if soaked > >real well. Experimenting with the belly material is just as fun. Endless > >possibilities and combinations. Try rope-dubbing a hackle in with peacock > >and doing a cross-weave with a yellow-orange dubbing rope for the belly. > >Very interesting result when used with a black bead-head. A perfect hairy > >caterpillar with a fuzzy orange belly. > > > >This is one reason I like those split nymph hooks- makes it easier to weave > >without having to create the body. Oops! Cat's out of the bag. :o) > > > >DonO > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "mark romero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 9:13 AM > >Subject: Re: [VFB] Sandy Mite - replies > > > > > > > Kevin, what about Moose mane hair, or black Bear, or Skunk, or twisted > > > peacock hearl, or even wild boar (Javalina)? mark... > > > > > > >From: "DonO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Subject: Re: [VFB] Sandy Mite - replies > > > >Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 09:32:40 -0800 > > > > > > > >Kevin, > > > >The hair-weave using the square-knot technique looks pretty good, too. > > > >I used JimmyD's longhorn hair to tie a stone for him. It's normally on > >his > > > >site. > > > > > > > > > > > >DonO > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Kevin W. Machon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:49 PM > > > >Subject: RE: [VFB] Sandy Mite - thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DonO - thanks for bringing up this pattern and technique. Very cool > > > >with > > > >a > > > > > lot of applications. > > > > > > > > > > And thanks to everyone else who posted links and pictures. Very > > > >informative > > > > > and it goes a long way toward increasing the skills and abilities of > >the > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > After viewing Rene's posted pics, I'll bet this technique could make > >a > > > >very > > > > > realistic salmonfly imitation - either adult or nymph. Use the > >orange > > > >weave > > > > > under the thorax and abdomen with black/dark brown hair or chennile > >or > > > > > dubbing for the wraps in place of the squirrell hair. > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts from the list about what dark material might work best > > > >here? > > > > > I'd like to try it out. > > > > > > > > > > And I would definately be in for a swap using this if it ever > >happens! > > > > > > > > > > Kev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
