Nick, Thanks..I'll try the untwisting .. Great site, Chuck
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From: "Niclas Runarsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 7:44 AM
Subject: RE: [VFB] Guderbrod Thread Question
Chuck,
Check out http://www.gudebrod.com/fishing2005/BorgerColor.htm for an online
Borger Color System chart.
Further info on your threads:
Your black 8/0 is a 67 Denier thread. Quite thin compared to most other
manufacturers 8/0's. The fact that you have no problem with tying it off
doesn't surprise me.
Your 6/0 is a 125 Denier thread which is quite a difference to the 8/0. Try
to untwist it before whip-finishing and see if that helps. It did for me.
/Nick
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Anthony Spezio
Skickat: den 1 oktober 2006 14:22
Till: [email protected]
Ämne: Re: [VFB] Guderbrod Thread Question
The BCS before the # is BOGER COLOR SYSTEM. A # is
assigned to a particular color. The 20's are Green
shades,, 40's Yellow shades, 70's Red shades
90's Brown shades and the 100's Dark Colors, Gray's
Blues and Black.
Gary Borgers fly pattern recipies are written up using
his coloring system numbers as are some other recipes.
There is a little booklet with the color charts on
them. You can get one from a flyshop that carries
Gudebrod thread, they are also available on line.
"Borger Color System Guide and Data Record Booklet"
Just for info.
Tony
--- Chuck Alexander
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
MeddelandeNick: Thanks for the info.. I have only
three spools and only tried two.. I have a red 6/0
#BCS85 125 denier a black 8/0 BCS 118(don't know
the denier on it, but I suspect about 80-90, but it
tied off OK) The one I had trouble with, as I was
trying to tie chili peppers with it is a 6/0 Fire
Orange BCS77 125 denier...It is the one that gave me trouble.. The
red, like i said is the same weight, but I haven't tried it. I'm
starting to think that I just made too many winds on the whip finish..
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Niclas Runarsson
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:16 PM
Subject: RE: [VFB] Guderbrod Thread Question
With a 'G' on the rim of the spool, it should be
size G polyester thread (250 Denier)... thick
thread. Gel spun thread would make it 'GX 1' or 'GX
2' on the rim (and the thread white).
Gudebrod tying threads are quite generously waxed
compared to most other threads, but personally I've
never found it making them 'slippery'. The
difference I would note is that it makes them easier
to dub, they hold the materials better... and it
keeps the filaments from coming apart.
Which size is it you're having the whip-finish
problem with?
/Nick
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Skickat: den 30 september 2006 19:54
Till: [email protected]
Ämne: Re: [VFB] Guderbrod Thread Question
Hey, Chuck! What type of thread is it? I know
the brand is Gudebrod, but some of their products
are 'slipperier' than others. If it is gel-spun (it
has a G on the rim of the spool), you can take a
quick pass of a lighter to melt it... but I almost
always burn some hackle or something - like my
goatee - if doing that.) ;) When you tie the whip
finish, try to do it on bare hook-stem, continuing
the thread in the same way it was wrapped just
prior. What else... hmm... 6 rotations is plenty
for even the largest of flies -- one of my biggest
faults 9at least with tying flies) is a monstrous
head with a zillion wraps for the whip-finish. The
bulk of the knot keeps it from tightening fully, so
it then comes loose and the fly starts to 'un-tie'
itself. It could honestly be any number of things,
but they're the ones I've experienced firsthand, and
I've seen it often in others, both older tyers and
newer ones.
Hope that this helps, and feel free to ask more
questions - though I'll be out fishin' for the first
time in literally months!
Best wishes and tight wraps,
Pete
On 9/30/06, Chuck Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Folks: It's probably something a "rookie tier"
like myself is doing wrong, but when Nick brought up Guderbrod thread
yesterday I think it was..Well, I tried that brand, and I CANNOT get
the whip finish knot NOT to unravel.. No matter if I whip finish
3-4-5-6 etc rounds, if I snipped off the thread
really close, it (the knot) would come unraveled,
like some of the nylon ropes that there are that
just will not hold a knot..Like it has more wax than
it needed??? So, I have been using Uni Thread and
Danville's with no problems..The thread (The
Guderbrod) "feels" like great thread, so, am i doing
something wrong??? Cause I have a few spools and
hate to see anything go to waste, Thanks, Chuck
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