Thanks to everybody for the leader tips... I think I'll probably end up using 
the furled leaders (which I LOVE), just that like I said, my wife and kids had 
trouble at times with tangles..Lefty also brought up what I thought was a good 
tip though for bass fishing in heavy cover like grass , lily pads, weeds, etc 
(which is where the  big bass hide to eat), and that is to use a heavy level 
leader, say 20 pound test, so that you can get your fly back out of the weeds 
without losing it.. He says to use this method when using bass popping bugs as 
the noise attracts the bass' attention anyway.. i realize it would not cast as 
far or land as soft, but where I fish that (the weeds and grass) IS where the 
"big uns" hide..Also, good tip about buying new leaders and/or tippet 
material.. Wally World may be cheaper, but they do not date them or anything 
like that, and they do sit under all those fluorescent lights, being 
deteriorated by the UV rays... Thanks again to everybody, Chuck

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Bliss 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] Lefty Kreh's tapered mono leaders


  Chuck,

  There are some things that you will just be really sorry you skimped on and 
this is one.  If the leader is bad you can count on nothing but bad results.  I 
usually buy a tapered leader and build the last few feet myself.  As the leader 
(tippet plus) is worn or clipped, I can just add a bit.  The alternative is to 
use the furled leaders. 

  Mike

   
  On 1/4/07, Chuck Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
    Daphne: Thanks. do you use a surgeons knot for these??? Reason i ask is
    because I had a tapered leader I found last night that had only about 3 ft 
    left on it, and that section was probably 20 pound test.. I tried to tie a
    10# to it, to which I was gonna tie a 6# then a 4# tippet.. But the 20# was
    soo stiff, the knot just came lose.. I spit on it, I tried it dry, 
    everything I knew to do, and it still came loose.. Thanks, Chuck

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Daphne Forster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    To: < [email protected]>
    Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:46 AM
    Subject: Re: [VFB] Lefty Kreh's tapered mono leaders


    > Chuck,
    >
    > I make most of my saltwater leaders like that, and have have never had 
one 
    > break at the knots. The do turn over well, but do not work well for dry
    > flies because the knots drag on the surface. The only problem i have had
    > with them is if the sections of mono have different stiffnesses with one 
    > of the stronger sections being limper than the lower test ones. Then, if
    > you are using heavy flies, the leader may not turn over because of the
    > limp section.
    > Daphne
    >
    > Chuck Alexander wrote: 
    >> Folks: I am now reading the book "Advanced Fly Fishing Techniques" by
    >> Lefty Kreh, and he explained how he makes tapered mono leaders.. Now, i
    >> KNOW that Lefty has forgotten more about fly fishing that I have ever 
    >> learned, but the example he gave in the book, he said was for a big
    >> saltwater leader, (hence the giant line#'s ), but the small ones would be
    >> about the same ratios.. Anyway, he said to use, say, a surgeons knot to 
    >> join the pieces,and for say, a ten ft long leader.. start with a two ft
    >> section of 50# mono.. tie that to a two ft piece of 40# mono, followed by
    >> two ft of 30#, and then, a tippet of four ft of 20#.. Does anybody make 
    >> leaders like this??? Do they not break a lot with all those knots??? do
    >> they "turn over" well??? Thanks, Chuck
    >>



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